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Estimating Tip: Audatex- Frameless Door window
Recent DEG Inquiry 17327 identified Audi Q8 Doors with frameless door window design adds additional horizontal and lateral adjustments for correct fit on the vehicle. Audatex has responded that
“Per the DBRM Audatex labor includes normal adjustment and alignment for correct fit, but does not include any duplicated effort.
“Any additional adjustments needed would have to be a manual entry as we have already accounted for a normal adjustment.”
DEG has confirmed this applies to all vehicles with frameless door window designs where the OEM has provided above and beyond normal adjustments of the window glass to the sealing strips.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Refinishing “Break Point”
Recent DEG Inquiry 17409 states “After review, when refinishing a “Welded-On Panel” the requirement is to refinish to the nearest “Break-Point”, because creating a Blend-Line at a “Non-Break Point” may result in “Refinish Deterioration”.
Your example; “Repairing the Quarter Panel and the Outer Surface of those parts will require some type of refinishing. The time necessary to perform this type of operation should be estimated after an on-the-spot evaluation of required procedure. MOTOR recommends these factors be considered before finalizing any repair cost estimate.”
“MOTOR feedback: A breakpoint would be a hard stopping point in a undetectable area that may be covered by a molding or the panel edge. The image sent would not be considered a breakpoint or panel edge.”
Estimating Tip: Nissan Wire Harness Repair
Repairs can easily locate wire harness repair kits available from Nissan using Nissan Tech-Mate Tools and Equipment website. Repairs can easily identify connector type using images to ensure the correct OEM part number is being ordered.
Estimating Tip: Audatex –Wire harness attached to bumper covers NOT INCLUDED
Recent DEG Inquiry 17326 Response from Audatex regarding parking sensor harness attached to bumpers during overhaul operation. “We do not allow time on any harness in accordance with Database Reference Manual Section 4-2 Labor Exclusions. No change is warranted at this time.”
An example would be overhauling or replacing a bumper cover with an additional harness attached to the backside of the bumper. Labor to un route and re route the harness is NOT included and would be an on the spot evaluation.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Masking within refinished panel perimeter NOT INCLUDED
Recent DEG Inquiry 17278 response from Mitchell states “Perimeter masking is included up to 36 inches, areas requiring masking within the perimeter have not been factored into the refinish allowance.”
An example of masking within perimeter of a panel where masking may not be included is fuel door pocket, Quarter glass openings, door openings, vents and various holes within a panel. This would be an on the spot evaluation.
When exterior panels (i.e. Doors) are remove leaving exposed door openings/entrances, additional masking operation labor times can be found in the Mitchell CEG>> Page 28> Mask Vehicle to prevent overspray . Materials are never included in published labor times.
Estimating Tip: H Notes/ Labor Footnotes
Both CCC and Mitchell have H Notes/ Labor Footnotes which may reference important information to consider when repair planning.
Examples of H notes in CCC and Labor Notes in Mitchell may include critical bulletins repairers would need to reference the OEM information about steering gear replacement.
Always verify using OEM repair information for the latest information on the vehicle you are repairing.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Rear Body replacement “Rear Compartment Trim (as necessary)”
Recent DEG Inquiry 17218 states when a user sees a footnote “Rear Compartment Trim (as necessary)” is the general description used to describe any “Trim” that directly attaches to the inside of the “Rear Body Panel”.
Some vehicle where Rear Body compartment trims do not touch the rear body panel, may NOT be included. Users can verify specifics in the footnotes if available or in the GTE P- pages. When a repairer runs across a rear body panel replacement where the rear body trim not touching the rear body panel is still showing included with NO footnotes, please submit a DEG Inquiry for research of the concern.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex- Duplicate R/I and or Fitting operations
Some labor operations in all three estimating systems may included operations which are only accounted for 1 time to be done in the labor operation. If duplicate r/I or fitting operations are done, this would be an on the spot evaluation for additional time needed.
Example would be when loosening of a headliner is included to gain access to a roof mounted antenna. The time to temporarily raise and re lower the headliner while the vehicle is being moved in various repair stages is NOT INCLUDED. Published Labor times are based on 1 continuous operation and does not account for variables in the repair process.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Checking & filling Transmission Fluid (ATF)
Inquiry 17115 identified that Checking and Filling ATF is not factored into the Radiator labor time.
Additional labor for Checking, Filling and Fluid cost is NOT included and would be an on the spot evaluation. Always reference OEM Service procedures for necessary operations to refill these components as they can vary beyond filling from the dip stick tube (if equipped).
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Tesla Model 3 HV Battery disable
Recent DEG Inquiry 16931 for Audatex has updated the Model 3 HV Battery disable labor and provided feedback about the operation. Some vehicle repairs may require multiple duplicated procedures throughout various repair stages.
“We have reviewed the current OEM service information for the HYBRID BATTERY DISABLE (GN 0702). The labor time has changed from 0.4 hours to 1.0 hours which includes D&R of 12 Volt battery, R&R of HV probe cover and electrical isolation. The time provided for only one iteration as duplicate efforts are excluded as per the Database Reference Manual.”
Estimating Tip: CCC – F-150 “Bed Set Back” no longer listed.
Recent DEG Inquiry 17032
“Estimated Release Date: Closed Proposed Resolution: MOTOR stated: After review of the procedural steps for “Set Back Box Assembly” vs “R&I Box Assembly” the same procedural steps are required for both operations. For this vehicle it was determined that “Set Back Box Assembly” requires the same estimated work time as “R&I Box Assembly” there for the operation “Set Back Box Assembly” was deleted. Please note: “Set Back Box Assembly” does not create adequate work space for refinishing operations.”
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Labor for Destructive Weld Testing
Recent updates to Mitchell MCE and ULTRAMATE program will now display “Labor for Destructive Testing as NOT INCLUDED.
Mitchell users can find this operation located in the “Ref Sheet>> Additional Operations>> Welding>> Destructive Weld Testing” in both Mitchell products. This will require an on the spot evaluation.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Trimming braces molded into bumpers.
Some replacement parts may be shipped with support bracing that would need to be trimmed away before installing on the car.
Any modifications to the component requiring trimming of unneeded bracing would be NOT INCLUDED. Recent DEG Inquiry 17005 “MOTOR suggests using an on-the-spot evaluation for a mutually agreed upon time.”
Estimating Tip: Access to OEM Owners Manuals FREE!
DEG has compiled a list of links directly to review OEM Owners manuals. Owners manual information may include necessary procedures or requirements not found in the repair manual.
An example of information may include how many tires should be replaced when a tire is damaged requiring replacement.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex: Rivnut, Rivstud, Nutsert and misc Attachment Hardware.
Some replacement panels may require additional mounting hardware for attached components. The labor and hardware cost to install these misc. fasteners to the replaced panel are NOT INCLUDED unless specified in the footnotes in the database.
Some fasteners may require a specific tool outlined in the OEM service manual. This would be an on the spot evaluation unless a labor time/footnote already exists in the estimating system.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Section 5-2 FAQ
In 2020 Audatex DBRM was updated with new FAQ (Frequently asked questions) regarding refinishing of the back side of replacement panels.
Question: Does Audatex refinish times allow for refinishing the backside of the panels like fenders and quarter panels?
Answer: The replacement refinish allowance for fenders and quarter panels does not account for refinishing the backside of these panels. They are not typically refinished in the repair process.
Repairers may have instances where the actual backside may not need “REFINISH” but rather additional “Corrosion Protection” product application of labor and materials to replicate the factory appearance and corrosion protection properties. It is always important to reference the OEM’s Repair procedures and following proper corrosion protection steps.
Example below is from Honda 2020 Corrosion protection document
Estimating Tip: CCC – Lowering Headliners for access
Recent DEG Inquiry 16791 addresses when a headliner “lowering” operation is included with another component labor operation time that “If the repair facility decided to remove the headliner rather than raise/re-lower, that would require an on the spot evaluation and manual line entry.
MOTOR cannot predict how many times the shop would need to raise/lower the headliner during a given repair scenario. If the repair scenario requires that to be performed more times than called for in the OEM repair procedure, that would require an on the spot evaluation and manual line entry.”
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Flex Additive Materials NOT INCLUDED
Some repairers may experience a bill payer stating that “Flex additive Materials are included in Audatex”. To clarify this topic, Audatex users should reference the following information in Audatex DBRM guide to clarify the following information on Flex Additive Materials:
On Page 43 Section 4-2 Labor exclusions: “Refinish Materials are NOT INCLUDED in Audatex Refinish Labor Values”
On Page 160 “Add flex additive** (when required, labor only)” is considered an Included operation.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Accessing helpful OEM information within Mitchell Ultramate
Estimating Tip: CCC- Additional Operations “Add for Foglamps”
This week’s tip will discuss some changes in how the “add for fog lamp” features will now appear in Additional Operations group in the front bumper section in CCC.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Feather Prime and Block for welded panel considerations
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex: Modifying part and operation type labor times in estimating systems
In this week’s estimating tip, please watch the video showing how modifying a part and or operation type labor time can affect your estimate to adjacent and or attached parts to the component being modified.
Estimating Tip: CCC- Paintless Dent repair (PDR) / Glue Pulling
Recent Inquiry 16631 regarding PDR/ GLUE PULLING states “Paintless Dent Repair, PDR, is not an operation included in the MOTOR collision-estimating database and therefore PDR included and not included operations are not part of the MOTOR Guide to Estimating pages. A glue pull dent may require an on the spot evaluation”
Additional considerations when performing PDR/ Glue Pulling methods may be included:
• Heating the panel for adhesion and to release glue
• Pulling with conventional frame racks or pull towers (Larger Repairs)
• Release solution and cleaning cloths
• Material cost (Glue, Tabs, cleaning agents etc)
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Grille Labor considerations
Recent DEG Inquiry 16535 states “It is not possible to determine if an assembly is delivered completely assembled or requiring some assembly. Therefore, parts that are not delivered as an assembly that will require additional labor to bring the part to the assembly condition will require a labor allowance at the discretion of the end user. ”
An example would be some RAM grilles coming unassembled from the manufacturer requiring additional assembly.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Recycled Part Operations (ATG)
Mitchell has made changes in the way Recycled Part labor operations are developed.
Mitchell has provided feedback on inquiry 16546
“In an effort to simplify overlap between the ATG (Assembly time guide) and CEG (Collision Estimating Guide), we no longer publish labor times for bolt on components or assemblies in the ATG.
Operations can be selected from the CEG, and the part type changed to LKQ. CEG labor times, and CEG P-page logic apply.
ATG P-pages do not apply to GEG labor times.
When utilizing an operation from ATG, with a published ATG allowance, the ATG P-pages are applicable.
What would not be included are any considerations for the removal of components serviced with the ATG assembly.”
An example of CEG time on a RECY component would be a RECY door arriving in the same condition of a NEW replacement part.
DEG Inquiry 16531 footnote on front bumper reinforcement currently states “Part cannot be reused/ reinstalled”
The current footnote in CCC regarding the reinforcement is an error and has been updated to “”LABOR: Time is after bumper cover is removed. Time not included R&R bumper cover or overhaul.” This change will start to appear on the UM release date 8/3/2020.
Replacement of the reinforcement is NOT needed if the part is not damaged. Please reference up to date repair information from the OEM.
Estimating Tip: CCC- Adhesive wheel opening moldings (Audi Q5)
Inquiry 16513 “Note: The Wheel Opening Molding is standard equipment on the S-Line and SQ5 model Bumper Covers. MOTOR only lists the Wheel Opening Moldings in those bumper groups. The estimated work time is for installation only and is included with R&R and Overhaul.”
In scenarios when a bumper is being O/H for repair, the REMOVAL of the adhesive wheel opening moldings are NOT INCLUDED.
Estimating Tip: CCC and Audatex – Protecting interior during repairs
Various repair procedures may require additional protection to the interior of the vehicle to prevent welding/grinding/ sanding sparks, dust going past the repair zone. Additional consideration for labor and/or materials to protect the vehicle interior is NOT INCLUDED.
CCC DEG Inquiry 13434 “After review of the concern, it has been determined that covering the exterior, interior and components of the vehicle to prevent weld spark damage is not included with welded panel replacement estimated work times.
Determining an estimating work time for these procedures would require an “on the spot evaluation” when developing the estimate.”
Audatex DEG Inquiry 15218 “We have reviewed your inquiry with regards to “Cover to protect interior during repair”. We consider time to place and remove welding blankets only. Any additional operations are not considered in our guidelines. No changes are warranted at this time.”
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Labor consideration for additional technicians
Some procedures may require the use of more than one technician to complete. Examples include team lifting, scan tool operation while driving, large or heavy parts R&I/R&R.
Per DEG Inquiry 16414 Audatex states “Any additional labor for additional technicians to assist with labor tasks are not included. No change warranted at this time.” This will require an on the spot evaluation.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Nissan/ Infiniti Database Information Delay
DEG Inquiry 16423 “The current Nissan/Infiniti vehicle information has been delayed. MOTOR is working with Nissan Motors to secure access to the OEM data required to update the Nissan/Infiniti vehicles to the most current information. MOTOR anticipates releasing this content during the second and third quarters of 2020.”
Additional DEG Note: Please verify part numbers and pricing from your Nissan/ Infiniti parts distributor to ensure correct part numbers and pricing before finalizing repair cost.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Damage Diagnosis
Diagnosing damage beyond a visual assessment may be a time-consuming process during repair planning. Additional time to diagnose the damaged vehicle, research repair information, and locating the root issue to a damaged component is NOT included in any estimated work times. Diagnosing damage may require multiple methods and tooling. This would be an on the spot evaluation.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Non-Reusable Parts Abbreviation
Non Reusable Parts Abbreviation and Pennsylvania Abbreviation Page Update
A new abbreviation for non-reusable parts per OEM of NRPOEM will soon be supported as part of the vehicle data.
The State of Pennsylvania (PA) Department of Insurance (DOI) regulations require that all abbreviations that may be found on an estimate be explained to the vehicle owner. To satisfy this requirement, when the user selects PA as the state disclosure, Audatex Estimating prints a PDF page of abbreviations, therefore the PDF that prints when PA state disclosure is selected has been updated with the addition of NRPOEM.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Three stage operation: Let Down Panels
Mitchell CEG page 28 Refinish Procedures> Three Stage Refinish state the following operations are INCLUDED:
• Apply toner to let-down panel
• Apply clear to let-down panel
• Repeat application to surface being refinished
Please note: the process is considered included only when performing this step in the same booth cycle as the vehicle itself.
If any part of the let down panel process is done as a separate operation, away from the vehicle, or involves any duplicate operations this would require an on the spot evaluation.
Material costs are NEVER included in any color matching/ let down panel operations.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex: Disconnecting Battery/ negative terminal
Many OEM repair procedures may indicate to disconnect the battery/ negative terminal prior to performing any type of work on the vehicle. DEG Inquiry 16158 response from MOTORS “Per the Guide to Estimating D&R of the battery is a not included item.”
Disconnecting the battery multiple times may be required to facilitate proper disassembly, welding, dent pulling, refinishing process or as necessary per the OEM procedures having to move the vehicle from department to department. If multiple battery disconnects are required, it will require an on the spot evaluation. If the labor footnotes in any estimating system indicates that the labor is INCLUDED, the labor included would be for one disconnect only.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex: Spray out card/ Color Matching Considerations
Neither CCC or Mitchell have assigned labor values for Color Matching/ Spray out card operatations which are considered NOT INCLUDED operations for both. Any labor or materials required to perform color match and or spray out cards, including clear coat and spray equipment set up, would be NOT INCLUDED.
Audatex states on DEG Inquiry 16149 “We have reviewed your inquiry regarding spray test panel process. The spray test panel is not included in the 2 stage set up allowance. It is included in the refinish time and to be conducted at the time of vehicle refinishing. No change is warranted at this time.”
If the spray out card is done in a separate operation away from the vehicle being refinished, any additional or duplicated efforts prior to vehicle refinishing process would be NOT INCLUDED.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Door skin/ Door outer panel replacement repair time
When replacing a door skin, CCC/MOTORS GTE states “straightening of door frame” is NOT INCLUDED.
Additionally, any repairs required to the new door skin/ outer panel after installation are NOT INCLUDED. DEG Inquiry 16087 states:
“• MOTOR does not assign fixed percentages to different steps within a repair procedure.
• The amount of damage and repair needed during the installation of the Outer Panel will vary due to technician skill level.
• Any repair time needed would be an On the Spot evaluation mutually agreed upon by estimators.”
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex, Mitchell – Aluminum/ Clean room set up
All three information providers have provided a response to address aluminum/ clean room set up times. CCC and Audatex have stated this is a NOT INCLUDED operation. Mitchell states “NO additional time is needed”.
CCC DEG Inquiry 10980 “ Set up an certified OEM approved Clean Room is not included in the estimated work time.”
AUDATEX DEG Inquiry 11230 “The setup of aluminum room equipment including aluminum vacuum fume and dust extraction have not been considered in labor allowances.”
MITCHELL DEG INQUIRY 13778 “A shop maintaining a dedicated aluminum repair area should not require additional time for Setting up the Clean Room or setting up required extraction systems.”
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Additional related refinish material calculations
Auto Paint Materials Calculation:
• De-nib & Finesse, Finish Sand and Buff and Mask for Overspray, while coming on the estimate as a “Refinish” Labor Type, do not contribute to the materials calculation when using the “Rates” method.
• While those operations use materials, it is not at the same cost level of primers, hardeners, paint etc… as are applied automatically within UltraMate for core refinish operations.
There are two paths available to the estimator for the application of additional related material costs, as needed:
1. Refinish Materials Calculator (RMC) product provides a separate dollar amount for De-nib & Finesse or Finish Sand and Buff.
• This product is available as a stand-alone or as a Value-Added Feature capability that can be enabled within UltraMate.
+ RMC will also be an available option in Cloud Estimating (MCE) in the future.
2. These costs may also be added as manual line/s and/or Reference Sheet “Additional Costs & Materials” entries.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Air Conditioner Maintenance
CCC/MOTORS has confirmed on majority of vehicles utilizing CCC/MOTORS has confirmed on majority of vehicles utilizing R1234YF AC Systems that 1.4 hours Evacuate and Recharge + .4 hours Refrigerant recovery labor is sufficient.
According to the “Guide To Estimating: AIR CONDITIONER”, “LABOR TIME DOES NOT INCLUDE:
• Cost of refrigerant & oil. or Test for leaks”.
• The maintenance and cost of the A/C machine are not included in the estimated labor time.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex, Mitchell – Welding equipment set up/ Test Weld
Some OEM repair procedures may indicate various welding techniques in different areas of the repair for a single component. Examples may include a single or combination of STRSW, MAG, MIG or CuSi Braze welding. Consideration to set up and perform a destructive test weld on a single types of weld or multiple weld type may NOT be included in published labor times.
CCC/MOTORS Labor Time premise states: “Welder set-up or preparation” is NOT INCLUDED
Audatex DBRM Page 44 Section 4-2 Labor Exclusions “Setup of welding equipment, welding materials and/or test welding “
Recent Mitchell Inquiry 15359 states “We do not provide information regarding the performance of destructive weld testing. This will be reviewed for consideration in future Procedure Page updates.”
Audatex DBRM Guide Page 48 section 4-3 recent update specifies “Any Sheet metal damage occurring during the separation of sandwiched panels is not included in Audatex provided labor values and would be a manual consideration.”
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex: Steering Column Inspection
CCC: Many vehicle manufacturers use collapsible steering columns to absorb energy sustained from a collision impact. These columns should be inspected for proper length, binding and deformation among other specific considerations. Failure to do so may prevent proper operation of steering column and/or air bag deployment. MOTOR recommends following vehicle manufacturer’s guidelines for inspection and replacement of these components.
Audatex: Inquiry 15922 on a Subaru states “The Audatex labor allowance does not provide time to perform an inspection for the STEERING COLUMN”
Mitchell: Inquiry 15921 “Mitchell does not develop or publish labor allowances for Steering Column inspection. Please reference Air Bag/SRS Component Inspection and Replacement Tables.”
Some OEM procedures may require the steering column to be removed from the vehicle for measuring and inspection. This process may not be included published R/I times. Please reference the OEM information regarding removal, measurements and one time use hardware.
“Mitchell does not develop or publish labor allowances for Steering Column inspection. Please reference Air Bag/SRS Component Inspection and Replacement Tables.”
Some OEM procedures may require the steering column to be removed from the vehicle for measuring and inspection. This process may not be included published R/I times. Please reference the OEM information regarding removal, measurements and one time use hardware.
Mid-Week Estimating Tip: Disinfecting Vehicles / Work Areas
Amidst this Covid-19 Corona virus, we urge all professionals providing services to take care and caution while working in a public setting. Please follow all CDC recommendations regarding cleanliness and disinfecting your work area.
Due to extra precautions beings set, we want to remind technicians and business that any additional labor/ cost required to create a safe and disinfected work area is NOT factored into published database work times. This will require an on the spot evaluation. Please consult with your managers, owners as well as local and county health officials for any additional information what steps should be taken to create a safe and clean work environment to prevent the spread of this virus.
Examples of creating a clean working environment may include:
• Disinfecting surfaces being touched before and after repairs
• Interior vehicle protection (seats, steering wheels, keys, gear levers)
• Wearing additional PPE.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Published Pre and Post scan labor time
Audatex has recently started to publish “Pre and Post Scan” labor times. The times being published are specific to vehicle make and model. Audatex has yet to define Included or Not Included steps related to these operations in their Database Reference Manual (DBRM).
DEG has received an official response from Audatex RFR Team:
“Our labor methodology is proprietary. Audatex Pre and Post Scan labor allowances include time for connecting the scan tool, reading any DTCs if applicable, clearing any DTCs if applicable, and disconnecting the scan tool. The times indicated represent using an OEM or OEM equivalent scan tool utilizing the SAE J2534 interface. Any additional work outside of these listed operations would not be included with Pre/Post scan labor allowances provided in Audatex, therefore requiring manual considerations.”
CCC Labor Time Premise currently states “Due to the variety of scan tools used, both OEM and aftermarket, as well as the variation from vehicle to vehicle and repair to repair, MOTOR is unable to develop a time that accounts for these different scenarios. Therefore, MOTOR recommends an on-the-spot evaluation to determine an appropriate estimated time to perform diagnostic scans for each repair.”
Mitchell currently states Additions to Labor Time “Pre/Post Repair Scans- OEM recommendations may include pre/post-repair scan(s) on vehicles involved in a collision to assist in discovery of any specific Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC’s). Refer to OEM specific position statement(s) and/or repair procedures for additional information.
All Three: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex: Raw plastic prep/ unprimed plastic components
All three databases recognize raw plastic prep/ unprimed plastic components which may require additional labor to prep and or to prime the plastic component prior to refinish. The automated calculation of this formula only captures front and rear bumpers.
Additional components such as Rockers, Mirror caps or Misc. plastic parts which require additional labor would require a manual entry using the formula provided in the GTE / CEG/ page 143 section 4-4 DBRM.
• 25% of the component’s base refinish time
• Maximum time allocation: 1.0 hours
Included: Removal of mold-release agents as outlined by manufacture, masking (if required), Application of adhesion promoter
Not Included: Correction of pre-existent surface imperfections, material cost.
Mitchell: Allow .2 per refinish hour (20%) for plastic components that come from the manufacturer/supplier in a raw/un-primed state. Included Operations: Detergent wash, Alcohol/plastic cleaner wash, Additional solvent wash, Application of specialized adhesion promoter, Clean Equipment.
Audatex: The Audatex formula for preparation of a raw, unprimed Bumper Cover or Plastic Part is:
• 20% of the base refinish labor
Estimating Tip: CCC & Mitchell – Additions to labor times
When selecting replacement component labor operations, the footnotes in CCC may indicate the labor is after an overlapping part (welded/ bolted on component) has been removed.
An example would be on a 2017 Nissan Pathfinder front lower rail replacement: “time is after upper rail and all necessary bolted-on parts are removed”
Nissan Service procedures for front lower frame rail states “Work after the hood ledge has been removed”
If the repairer chooses to leave an overlapping/ adjacent component in place and work around the component, any additional labor to repair and or replace would require an on the spot evaluation.
For Mitchell users reference CEG Collision Estimating Guide “Labor General Information” under “Labor Times Section”
Mitchell: CEG Labor General Information states “Times for some operations are applicable after necessary bolted, attached or related parts have been removed”
Estimating Tip: CCC: Full weatherstrip R/I not included in rocker replacement
Recent Inquiry 15607 found a database logic error regarding the body weatherstrip showing included in rocker panel replacement/ section. The MOTORS GTE P pages clearly state that “Weatherstrip pull back” is included. When selecting full R/I, the labor defaults to included.
End users would need to make manual line changes when performing a FULL R&I. Confirmed statements from CCC/MOTORS discusses this issue on inquiry 15607 due to logic of rocker and center pillar parts.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Drain, Refill and/or Top off Windshield Washer Fluid
Recent updates to Audatex DBRM Section 4-2 Labor Exclusions added that “Drain, Refill and/or Top off Windshield Washer Fluid” is NOT INCLUDED in published labor time.
R/I or R/R time for windshield washer reservoir does NOT include to drain or fill the washer fluid.
Washer fluid / additives or Disposal fees to drain/ fill the tank is NOT INCLUDED in labor times.
Estimating Tip: CCC: Nameplate template fabricating NOT INCLUDED
Recent DEG INQUIRY 15563 response from MOTORS indicates during replacement of a nameplate/ emblem “After review of the concern, creating templates is not included in estimated work times.”
DEG also points out that “Material cost used to create a template is NOT INCLUDED in labor times.”
Lastly, Per CCC/MOTORS GTE P Pages, the labor time for Nameplates, Emblems, Adhesive backed moldings are for INSTALLATION ONLY. Removal of the molding and cleaning adhesive left behind is NOT INCLUDED in R/R Time. Below is an example from BMW workshop manual indicating to “make and adhesive tape template”
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Frame Rack equipment set up times
Audatex DBRM Page 44 Section 4-2 states
“Setup of a vehicle on a frame machine, dedicated bench, or other measuring / straightening devices. Pulling time is not included (Standard Manual Entry M31 is available).”
Because of all the various types of equipment for repairing vehicle structures, Audatex does not provide a labor value for each equipment requirement for set up/ anchoring and measuring scenarios. This would be an on-the-spot evaluation depending on the type of equipment that is used.
Final DEG Note: It is important to follow OEM procedures and ensuring proper tooling is being used to repair vehicles back to OEM Specifications.
Pictured below is a SPANESI Bench which allows for various types of vehicle anchoring strategies, which will vary from vehicle to vehicle and type of damage involved.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell- Extension of clear coat formula
Extension of Clear Coat
In some applications, it may be required to extend the application of clear to the nearest panel edge or breakpoint.
The performance of this operation is NOT INCLUDED in the Mitchell refinish labor time.
The extension of clear coat formula is intended to be calculated as a percentage of base refinish hours excluding overlap.
It DOES NOT APPLY to edges, jambs, and undersides. No deduction for overlap should be taken.
NOTE: When calculated, 20% of the total time should be allocated to the clear coat line item. The total sum of the line and the amount allocated to the clear coat line will total 50% of the exterior refinish time for the panel being refinished.
Example: A panel refinish time is 2.0 hrs. When extending clear, the refinish time for that panel should be 1.0 (.5 per refinish hour). For clarity, the refinish line should be displayed as .8 and .2 (20%) should be allocated to the clear coat line.
We suggest using the “BLEND” selection for any panels requiring this step to ensure properly calculation of the allocated PREP and CLEAR application formula as the system will automatically allocate the 80/20 split of the 50% formula.
Note: This formula is not intended to be used on repaired panels or any panels that require additional labor to repair pre existing surface conditions.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Toyota Front Millimeter wave radar calibrations
CCC users may see labor times for “aiming front distance sensor” available in the vehicle database for 1.0-1.6 hrs.
Recent DEG Inquiry 15393 clarified additional feedback of included/ not included operations.
1. Checking the level of the floor would not be included when a dedicated area is used to perform this calibration. This was done once to determine a dedicated area so it should not be necessary again.
2. Axis Beam confirmation would be included but the adjustment is not
3. The estimated work time includes mapping out the workspace.
4. The estimated time does not include any troubleshooting.
5. The estimated work time includes 1 adjustment.
Estimating Tip: Audatex- Structural adhesive removal NOT INCLUDED
Audatex DBRM Guide page 43 Section 4-2 Labor Exclusions states “Removal of panel bonding adhesive material” is a NOT INCLUDED operation in panel replacement times.
When repairers come across situations where after a panel is removed and the vehicle is left with “panel bonding adhesive material”, the labor associated with removing this material in preparation for the replacement part is NOT INCLUDED. This would be an on the spot evaluation depending on the process, equipment and consumable materials used.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Safety Inspections
Required Inspections after a collision are manufacture and vehicle-specific down to the type of impact the vehicle has sustained. Information on what components need to be inspected and/or replaced after a collision can be found in all the OEM technical websites or using a 3rd party program like Alldata.
The labor to perform these inspections is NOT included unless specifically noted in the footnotes of a component being repaired. Some inspections will require selecting components from the database or performing an on the spot evaluation for labor.
During “INSPECTIONS” some components MUST be replaced (Clips, fasteners, repair kits, or specific parts) regardless of the type of impact/ collision. Refer to OEM service information for this prior to finalizing repair planning.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Selecting Correct Paint Process Type
CCC, Mitchell, and Audatex may suggest a certain paint code to be a single-stage, base coat / clear coat or three-stage based on major paint manufacture suggestions. Ultimately the type of paint process and paint product used at the repair level needs to be accurately selected from the database for the system to accurately reflect correct labor and material calculations.
Mitchell responded on prior inquiry 15299 “We have seen cases where a specific paint supplier may recommend a unique process for a certain color formulation. Therefore, legitimate considerations can exist on a case-by-case basis for certain colors.
Depending on the paint system used, a three-stage formula may be available. In these instances, it is our recommendation to defer to formula for the paint system being used.”
Estimating Tip: Audatex E-coat (protective coating) Removal on New Replacement Parts
Replacement panels which may require e-coat (protective coatings) to be removed prior to welding, bonding, riveting process are NOT INCLUDED per Audatex DBRM Section 4-2, page 44. The labor toremove any coatings required by the OEM prior to installing the replacement part will require an on the spot evaluation.
Material / supplies used to remove coatings is NOT included in any Audatex labor times.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Filling Additional Fluids into Cooling System
Some radiators/condensers have built-in cooling systems for transmissions, power steering systems.
Labor to replace these cooling units (radiators/condensers) does not include any additional labor that may be needed to fill additional fluids (transmission/power steering/Oils) when being R/I or R/R.
Fluid cost is NOT INCLUDED in CCC labor values.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Included / Not Included Headliner Update
11/2019 CCC/MOTORS updated the “HEADLINER” section of the Guide to Estimating P Pages specifically calling out “Interior lower moldings/trim” being NOT INCLUDED as well as “weatherstrip r/I”.
Scenarios where this would be factored is if the lower trims overlap the upper trims touching the headliner. Additionally, some surround weather strips around door openings may be overlapped with additional trims to gain access to the upper trims touching the headliner. This would be NOT INCLUDED as per the GTE.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell & Audatex – Emblem Adhesive Templates / Clean and Re-taping
Repairers may see scenarios where an “Adhesive Templates” option may be available to reuse existing emblems, nameplates, and badges. When this option is available, typically from a 3rd party supplier, the labor and material associated to prepare the existing part for reuse is NOT INCLUDED in the emblem, nameplate, badge labor time per the estimating system. You may see this component come up as an A/M part when selecting a replacement nameplate, emblem or badge. This is typically serviced as an adhesive backing only that has been precut to mimic the original orientation to reuse the old badge, nameplate, and emblem.
Considerations to reuse an existing part can include the following:
• Cost of replacement Template
• Removal of adhesive from individual lettering/ nameplate
• Applying template onto existing nameplate, badge or emblem
• Trimming any excess material
• Cost of any solutions, adhesion promoters, razor blades
• Any additional repair required to component to be reused
• Measuring, mark and align individual letters for correct spacing
• Some OEM’s list nameplates and emblems as one time use, refer to appropriate repair manual
Estimating Tip: Transparent basecoat colors to achieve coverage
DEG has made a quick reference chart showing included and not included operations for Transparent colors to achieve hiding situations.
Some colors may need additional applications of material above the normal application of three coats due to pigments being translucent by nature. Any additional application of material for coverage should be considered when developing the estimate and may require an on-the-spot evaluation.
A small percentage of colors are identified by the paint manufacturers as highly transparent . These colors may require additional application coats to achieve visual hiding. In instances where four or more color coats are necessary to achieve adequate hiding, some adjustment in refinish times may be appropriate.
Transparent Colors Some colors have been identified by the paint makers as very transparent. These colors may require tinting the primer/sealer or additional coats of base materials to achieve a correct match (hiding). If this is necessary to achieve a visual color match (hiding), any application of base color beyond the third base coat may require an adjustment of the refinish labor and material allowance.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Rocker Moldings / Body Side Moldings Location
Audatex users will not find the door body side moldings/ rocker moldings in the respective location in the door or rocker group. Users will need to see the “STRIPES AND MOLDINGS” category for the correct part labor and pricing information.
It is also important to ensure the correct vehicle options are selected from the vehicle options tab. Some moldings are considered “optional accessories” and will not default them unless the option is selected correctly.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Updated Guide to Estimating (GTE P Pages)
CCC/MOTORS has updated the Guide to Estimating (P Pages). Users can access to most current up to date guide by visiting this link: https://help.cccis.com/webhelp/motor/gte/guide.htm
Users can quickly identify new changes in blue word as well as seeing the new ICON showing an update to that specific section.
Estimating Tip: Audatex DBRM Section 5-2 Frequently asked questions (FAQ’s)
Pages 153-157 of Audatex DBRM Guide provides helpful information to commonly asked questions and provides scenarios and answers about Audatex program.
An example of a question answered in the 5-2
“Question: Does Flex Additive listed in the “Included Operations” include the cost of the flex additive?
Answer: Audatex includes the time in the labor. However, the estimate preparer decides what is, or is not included in the Paint Materials. For additional information, refer to section 4-4 Refinish Guidelines – Paint Materials and Paint Materials and Costs. “
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Add to R/R with 3rd row seat option
How to add optional R/R acessory items to Mitchell replacement operations.
Estimating Tip: Verifying OEM Repair Information
Recent DEG Inquiry on 2015 Lexus GX SUV revealed the importance of utilizing OEM repair information vs 3rd party “published” information without doing current dated information request.
The information currently available by the 3rd party service did not show an updated procedure to reflect the most current available procedure from the OEM. The scenario showed the engine must be R/I for access to replace the steering rack.
When verifying the procedure in the OEM subscription site, the most current OEM procedure from Lexus had been updated NOT requiring the engine to be R/I for replacement of the steering rack.
This could potentially cause labor not required or potentially missing required steps that is not reflected without the correct repair information
Estimating Tip: CCC New Feature: Disassemble and Reassemble Mirror Assembly
CCC Estimate tip: Impact to labor when replacing door shell and mirror
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Frame Assembly R/R Additional Consideration
NOTE: Frame Assembly R&R requires planning. Proper preparation and job sequencing are key to performing this operation. Also, special equipment, additional workspace and manpower may be needed.
NOTE: It may be necessary to transfer parts from the damaged frame or order new parts to use on the new frame. This cannot be determined until you see the new frame. The needed additional time for this operation must be estimated.
We also suggest utilizing SCRS Guide to Complete repair planning page 17 for additional considerations to frame replacement.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Truck bed / Pick up box replacement requiring seam sealer application
DEG inquiry 14705 states
According to the MOTOR Guide To Estimating: duplicating the “OEM Caulk/Seam Sealer” for an OEM replacement “Hood, Door, Trunk Lid, Liftgate, Tail Gate and Pickup Box”, is not Included in the Motor estimated work time.
This is due to a variation in supplied OEM Service Parts that require “Caulk/Seam Sealer”. The “Caulk/Seam Sealer” may or may not be applied to the OEM Service Part, and if it is “Caulk/Seam Sealer” it may be Partial “Caulk/Seam Sealer” or Complete “Caulk/Seam Sealer”.
MOTOR suggests using an on-the-spot evaluation to determine if duplicating the “OEM Caulk/Seam Sealer” is required, and all parties mutually agree upon an appropriate “Caulk/Seam Sealer” time.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell- Masking for stone guard
CCC/MOTORS have updated the GTE pages define that masking operations needed for “stone chip guard” coating is NOT INCLUDED.
Mitchell includes basic masking for “gravel guard” application using their formula “add .5 hour for the first major panel and .3 hour for each additional panel.”
Audatex: Page 148 Audatex DBRM Does not include masking in the application of gravel guard.
Estimating Tip: Audatex- How incorrect option and accessories can impact your Audatex Estimate labor time
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – A/C Leak Test
Repairs involving air conditioning systems may need a leak test after the system has been recharged. The labor needed to perform a leak test using the various equipment available is NOT INCLUDED and would be an on the spot evaluation. Some testing kits may use a consumable product that must be injected into the system which is also NOT included in the labor time.
Estimating Tip: CCC- Retroactively apply labor rate to supplements and estimate of record.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – How to add additional labor operations for Radiator Supports
Estimating Tip: Audatex – 2019 Update to Audatex DBRM Guide
Audatex Has just updated the DBRM Guide for 2019-2020.
The following updates have been made:
• Check marks added to the Rocker Center Pillar included operation. (Section 4-3 pg. 79)
• Strike out text: this will apply only to manufacturers known to supply raw, unprimed bumper covers. (Section 4-4 pg. 143)
• Add “Line Cap Off” (if required): a change was applied to any references of A/C Condenser: find “A/C Condenser R&I, including A/C line disconnect/connect (if required), Line Cap Off (when required).” (Multiple locations in DBRM)
• Continuous Clear: a continuous clear definition was added. (Refinish 4-4 pg. 134)
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Additional labor for headliner replacement
DEG Inquiry 14422 clarifies headliners being replaced may require modifications to fit additional components for vehicle specific options. Labor to perform “Repair, fitting or modification of new replacement parts (unless part is being sectioned)” is not included in our times provided.
This information is also available in Audatex DBRM Guide page 44 section 4-2 Labor Exclusions.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Torqueing of fasteners
Torqueing of fasteners in the repair process is INCLUDED in published labor times.
Labor to look up or the cost associated with locating the torque specifications is NOT included.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Refinish overlap does not apply on panels refinished in a separate operation
Refinish Overlap does not apply to a component refinished during a procedure separate from the main component. This situation is covered in the “Guide To Estimating: Panel and Component Designation, Individual Procedure Items/Areas” as follows, “Areas of a panel or component that are part of a main component, but are refinished during a procedure separate from the main component. Example: edges, jambs, hinges, inside panels and the underside of hoods, deck lids, liftgates, etc.
No overlap deduction should be taken when calculating refinish time for items from this category.”
The Estimating system is not able to determine if the Part is a different color or if it’s refinished during a procedure separate from the main component.
• This will require a manual deletion of the “Refinish Overlap” if the Part is a different color or if it’s refinished during a procedure separate from the main component.
• A combination of items from this category refinished during a single, continuous procedure should be subject to the appropriate “Adjacent” or “Non-Adjacent” overlap formula deduction.
The older Subaru Outback is example where the bumper cover is a separate color from the vehicle.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Additional Labor > Calibration/ Scanning Operations
Audatex has been adding various scanning/ calibration operations to the database that may be applicable to the vehicle being repaired. Users can select from pre-defined calibration/ scanning operations in the “Additional Labor” section of the Audatex Database. The system does NOT provide labor or sublet cost.
Please note, this is NOT a substitute for using OEM repair information directly from the vehicle manufacture, but rather a good place to reference if a calibration may be needed on repairs you are performing.
Audatex July update:
Scan and Calibration Project*:
• 422 files have been updated with scan and/or calibration operations.
• 222 files now have a calibration operation available on the windshield glass
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex & Mitchell – Seem Sealer covering fasteners on bolt-on parts
Some vehicles may have seam sealer/protective coatings over fasteners on bolt-on parts which may require additional labor to remove the seam sealer as well as re-applying seam sealers and protective coatings after reinstallation.
The process of removing seam sealer and re-applying as well as refinishing is NOT included in published labor times unless specifically noted in the database footnotes or labor report. Material cost is NEVER included in labor times.
An example of this would be on a Mercedes Benz Sprinter fender attachment location.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell- Transferring of studs, brackets, braces
Recent inquiry 14245 New replacement parts may not come supplied with the appropriate mounting studs, brackets, braces.
Replacement labor for these parts are considered NOT INCLUDED unless specifically stated in the part footnote in the database.
CCC: Labor Time premise NOT INCLUDED operations:
-Brackets & braces transfer
Mitchell: CEG P-Pages > General Estimating Information > Labor General Information > Additions to Labor times:
-For welded, riveted or bonded brackets, braces or reinforcements from old part to new part.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Automated Clear Coat Not Calculating on Estimate
Once you have deleted the clear line from an estimate, it will need to be added back manually. There is a prompt to identify it when you delete lines.
To manually select clear coat, users will need to click on the “REF SHEET” tab > “Additional Operations” >> Select clear coat and select the “Calculate Estimate” button and the system will re-add the clear coat calculation.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Trunk / Lift Gate Weatherstrip
Weatherstrip attached to the body of the vehicle is NOT INCLUDED in the replacement time of the trunk lid or lift gate section of the database unless specifically stated in the detail line notes of the database.
It is important to verify this operation is not being INCLUDED unless there is a note or another component of the vehicle is being worked on where the weather strip would then be included (I.e. replacement of rear body panels unless specifically noted otherwise).
If users experience an issue where they feel the weatherstrip should not be included because of database error, please submit an www.degweb.org inquiry and we will work with the appropriate IP to resolve the issue.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Van / SUV – Side & Corner Panels
“Van and SUV” have a separate set of labor inclusions and not included operations on side panel / corner panel (quarter panel) replacements vs a standard vehicle application. It is important to refer to the correct section of the guide when performing a replacement and ensuring the correct not included operations are being listed correctly.
Example of common error is the NOT INCLUDED operation of the 2nd and/ or 3rd row seats if r/I is needed. The database may show INC when selected, but the p pages state otherwise.
Any errors found during the estimating process, please submit a DEG Inquiry to correct the situation with the appropriate information provider.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Understanding Overlap in Audatex
“There are two methods of overlap deduction. They are:
• Guide Number Order: This method will include an operation on the lowest guide number first and then not count it on any higher guide number.
• Internal Labor Coding: In this method, labor operations are internally coded within the Audatex system. Related groups of operations that are collectively required to perform one specific operation are internally coded to allow the Audatex estimate to include commonly performed operations. When this type of coding is done and the main operation has been included in the estimate, the subordinate operations will generally be accounted for in that main operation. If the main operation is not selected, the subordinate operations will be accounted for by the guide number order method.
Inner panel labor is with outer welded panel removed. The labor on the estimate for these parts is after applicable overlap is deducted.”
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Test Fitting / Additional Alignment of Replacement Parts and Adjacent Parts
CCC/ MOTOR: GTE> Labor Time Premise “Trial-Fit of a component to verify dimensional accuracy of adjoining parts”
Mitchell: CEG Guide> Labor General information > “Repair or Align Parts or adjacent to parts being replaced.”
Audatex: DBRM> Page 47: “Does not include any duplicated effort such as test fitting.”
An example of these circumstances would be during replacement of a quarter panel, and having to perform additional adjustments to the adjacent door and/or trunk lid to ensure proper fit of the replacement quarter panel.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Accuracy of Footnotes in Estimating Systems
Some vehicle chapters in all three information providers may list specific notes about a part being one time use or specific information from the OEM. It is important to confirm this information directly in the OEM service repair manual from the OEM direct. Solely relying on 3rd party information may not be the most up to date information available while the information providers are updating the systems to reflect.
Example of this scenario would be recent inquiry 14090 where the footnotes reflected information that was changed by the OEM in 2018.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Refinish on Repaired / Used Panels
Labor times related to repaired and/or used panels—example: Remove and install or masking of glass, outside handles or exterior trim, feather prime & block, masking for primer surfacer application—are not included in refinish time. The steps required for refinishing a repaired and/or used panel may vary from those required for a new panel depending on the condition of the repaired and/or used panel.
Estimating Tip: Audatex- Additional Set up NOT INCLUDED for Interior surfaces, edges and jambs.
Audatex DBRM section 4-4 Pages 134 and 135 TWO and THREE stage “Interior surfaces” states “Does not include additional time for setup”.
If refinishing interior, edges, and or undersides in a separate booth cycle, additional “SET UP” is NOT INCLUDED and would be an on the spot evaluation with manual line entry. Audatex defines “set up” to the following operations:
• Add Flex Additive
• Clear Clean Gun
• Gather materials, equipment, and tools
• Mix clear coat
Two-stage Interior (Audatex DBRM Page 134)
• Provides 20% additional refinish time for two-stage of edges, jambs, undersides and interior panels (not including trim) when selected
• Does not include additional time for setup
• Does not contain a threshold time allotment
• Does not apply to the 2.5 hour threshold for two-stage exterior
• User-defined threshold will not apply when used in conjunction with two-stage exterior,
• Produces a message at the bottom of the estimate explaining the two-stage calculation on the estimate
• Prints with other options on the estimate.
Three-stage Interior Surfaces (Audatex DBRM Page 135)
Provides 35% additional refinish time to three-stage edges, jambs, undersides and interior panels (not including trim) when selected.
• Does not include additional time for setup
• Does not contain a threshold time allotment
• User-defined threshold will not apply when used in conjunction with three-stage exterior surfaces
• Prints with other options on the estimate
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Road Testing for Diagnostic and Repairs
Road testing/test driving a vehicle for diagnostic purposes or to road test a vehicle after repairs are complete is NOT INCLUDED in all three estimating system IP’s.
Road Test is only included to verify alignment after completion.
Some vehicle OEM’s may require this process to reinitialize the vehicle after scanning and calibration is complete to ensure the vehicle systems are functioning properly.
Considerations for road testing may require cost of fuel as well as vehicle owner approval.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Tinting Primer Sealer
Some paint manufactures may require a tinted primer sealer to help achieve better coverage/ transparency of the basecoat.
The labor to tint the sealer is NOT INCLUDED in the included refinish time of applying sealer to new undamaged panels prior to basecoat. Material cost associated with tinting sealer is NOT INCLUDED in labor allowances.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Welding Supply Consumables
Labor for welded panel installation does not include the consumable materials needed when welding. Examples of consumables for welding may include the following:
• Welding Wire (Bohler Union x96, Brazing wire, Er70s-6, OEM Specific Alu wire etc.)
• Shielding gas
• Welding Tips
• Cost of OEM Specific welding coupons
• Coatings required by OEM for welding
• Spark Deflection material
• Labor for protecting the vehicle from welding and sparks
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Refinish Impact Bars
Refinishing of Impact Bars/ Bumper reinforcements is a NOT included operation in all three estimating systems.
Mitchell/Audatex may have a labor value available in the database to select from.
CCC/MOTORS does not provide labor values for this operation for the following reason.
Estimated Release Date: Closed
Proposed Resolution: MOTOR stated:
After review, MOTOR has determined that paint found on factory installed impact bars is an artifact of the factory refinish process (over-spray). Impact bars may come from the factory refinished in various stages of completeness and quality.
MOTOR does not take the position that the impact bar should not be returned to pre-accident condition. However, determining the estimated work time to refinish impact bars in various stages of completeness and quality, if refinished at all, is best left up to the judgment of estimators using an on-the-spot evaluation.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell- Refinish Back sides and undersides
Refinishing back side of replacement/ repaired panel in all three estimating systems is NOT INCLUDED in exterior refinish times. This may require the user to make a manual line with an on the spot evaluation to replicate the factory appearance.
Refinish times presented in this guide are developed under the premise that the underside and jamb color is the same as the exterior body color. Some vehicle manufacturers use a different color for the engine compartment, trunk compartment and/or jambs. An additional paint mix is required if the underside and/or jamb color is a different color than the exterior body color. Clear coat (gloss or matte) will be required for base color coat applications. Some component backsides of vehicles may not be refinished; however, the OE replacement component may be supplied in a different E-coat color than the damaged vehicle. These factors should be considered when developing the estimate.
It may be necessary to tint or otherwise modify non-exterior colors applied to undersides, edgesand/or jambs for which there is no paint color formula to achieve a color match. When necessary, reference “color match or tinting” listed above in Not Included Operations
Refinishing interior surfaces of exterior parts (e.g., inner quarter, rear body panel, windshield pillars, etc.) requires more masking for interior protection than similar sized/construction exterior parts. Although preparation, application and color match were similar on both exterior and interior parts, interior parts required less time than exterior.
However, overall time required for interior versus exterior tended to be comparable, due to additional time required to protect the interior, combined with difficulty of access. Some of the same processes that apply to exterior parts were occasionally observed in refinish of interior parts, although not with the same care and attention given to exterior panels.
“Audatex does not include refinish labor for roof or bed underside. Under hood, interior parts (core support, frame, inner fender, etc.) tend to have less effort invested for color match or attention to detail in surface preparation than exterior parts do. In some instances, these panels are painted prior to installation (e.g., bolt-on radiator support panel). “
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – 2.5 Clear Cap Exclusion
• Mix material
• Clean and tack surface
• Apply material
• Clean equipment
NOTE: For NEW, UNDAMAGED PARTS, a total of no more than 2.5 hours should be necessary to perform the four Clear Coat Refinish Included Operations listed above. This calculation DOES NOT APPLY to bumper covers, ground effects, special package equipment, interior edges, jambs, entryways, undersides and additional time that may be required for repaired and/or used panels. It DOES NOT APPLY to complete vehicle refinish. It is not intended to determine the quantity or cost of materials required for the application of clear.
Estimating Tip: Quick Reference Chart – Bonded Glass Chart
Quick Reference guide of included and not included operations for Bonded glass in various repair situations.
Estimating Tip: Quick Reference Chart – Extension of Clear Coat
Repairers may need to extend clear coat to the nearest natural breaking point / panel edge to maintain a refinish warranty on repair work. Please reference the chart of included / not included operations related to this topic.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Two-Stage Setting Override
It is important to note the paint settings on the estimate which can affect the labor calculations. To determine the correct paint profile, please reference the vehicle section of the estimate under “Ext. Refinish”.
Two Stage Setting Override
Audatex now offers an additional choice for default exterior single / two stage setting.
Prior to Audatex Estimating 8.06, AudaVIN color decoding would override the default single / two stage exterior setting from the Admin module. This behavior is still the default as AudaVIN properly decodes single / two / three stage color when option color information is received from the manufacturer.
As a new provisioning option, Audatex Estimating now offers a setting that ignores AudaVIN information for the exterior paint and retains the default exterior single / two stage default selection that is setup in the Admin module.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – High Build Primer Application
Section 4-5 of Audatex DBRM states that application of “High Build Primer” is not included in refinish labor. If a welded replacement panel requires the use of such product and material, labor to apply “High Build” Primer is NOT included and would be an on the spot evaluation for the labor and materials used.
Labor to block sand the “High Build” primer in “the seamed areas, to bring the panels to the condition of a new, undamaged panel for the purpose of refinish” would be included in the panel replacement time.
Second and/or third car bagging/cover car and masking operations are NOT included.
As always, material cost is never included in Audatex Labor Guides.
Estimating Tip: CCC- Oversized Vehicle / Equipment Set Up
Recent DEG Inquiry 13416 provided feedback: “Set up of scaffolding/ladders is ‘Not Included’ and would be an ‘On the Spot Evaluation’.”
Various type of vans, trucks or commercial vehicles may require repairs done above ground level, additionally requiring various types of tooling and equipment to be brought up to a safe working height.
When performing repairs on oversized vehicles, requiring the technican to work on a specialized aperatus: repairers should take into consideration the extra work required when utilizing scaffolding, ladders, lift-type equipment for both the technician and tool.
Estimating Tip: Quick reference chart Moldings and Decal operations
DEG has made a quick reference chart showing included and not included operations for moldings and decals for repair situations. Click here to download the latest quick reference chart
OEM service information may indicate a part is Non Reusable. Additionally All three Estimating IP’s recognize this with a note in their guide
Damaged or Non-Reusable Moldings and Fasteners
Some moldings may be damaged or broken during normal R&I procedures. Additionally, some plastic or metal fasteners may be damaged and their ability to be reused jeopardized because of single-use design, age or exposure to the elements. Moldings, emblems and trim attached using a heat stake method are considered to be non-reusable. Caution should be taken while removing all fasteners, both metal and plastic. MOTOR recommends these factors be considered and mutually agreed upon before finalizing any repair cost estimate.
Some attachment components may not be suitable for reuse (examples: plastic clips, fasteners, suspension bolts). Caution should be taken when estimating removal and/or replacement. It should be agreed upon as to what parts may require replacement even though not noticeably damaged.
Page 129 Audatex DBRM
Moldings / Nameplates
Adhesive moldings may not be reusable.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Navigating multiple part schematics within a part group
Mitchell users may find that not every part is shown when selecting a vehicle part group, and will have to go down the list of part descriptions to see if additional parts exist. Users can quickly identify if multiple parts schematics exist for that group by locating a page number in the schematics screen menu. DEG has made a quick video showing how to navigate this process.
CCC: Estimate Sequence
It is important for estimators to use the database with “estimate sequence” in mind, which is the order that the repair plan is developed: front to back or back to front. Following the sequence provided by the database will also allow the database to properly calculate any overlap for adjacent panels for both refinish and panel replacement procedures.
The DEG has made a video tutorial of how to make profile setting adjustments or sequence setting inside the estimate itself, and what to look for when writing in the proper order of overlap deductions.
Audatex: Mirror overhaul feature
Starting this month (January 2019), Audatex will begin to support overhaul operations for some door mirrors. Mirror overhaul applies when a mirror assembly consist of many individual parts, i.e. side markers, cameras, puddle lamps, motors, sensors, etc. The overhaul operation includes the labor time to transfer individual mirror components from the damaged mirror to a new one. This new operation eliminates the need to search and add R&I for each mirror component, which in turn saves time and increases accuracy. The first four files with this enhancement include:
• 2018-2019 Honda Accord
• 2019-2019 Nissan Altima
• 2015-2019 Ford F150 Super Crew
• 2015-2019 Ford F150 Stdr Cab
• 2013-2019 Ford Escape
• All future files, new and updated, will have the mirror overhaul operation added when and if applicable.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell & Audatex – Detail & Polishing
Users can quickly compare included and not included operations for detail and polishing operations across all three estimating system IP’s using the chart attached to the image below. Detail and Polishing quick reference chart
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Engine and Mounts Suspending
Audatex DBRM Guide Page 157 FAQ’s
Question: Why does the labor report only show minimal labor related to the engine and mounts (Combination Engine) when the engine must be suspended using a special tool?
Answer: There are a number of different tools and methods that could be used to support a drivetrain. Each may require different levels of preparation. The Audatex labor allowances do not take into account any special equipment or procedures necessary to prepare the drivetrain to support and only allows the labor to raise and support (Combination Engine) after the engine is prepared for the support tool and
any special tools are mounted.
Estimating Tip: Mitchel- Labor Times
THE LABOR TIMES SHOWN IN THE GUIDE ARE IN HOURS AND TENTHS OF AN HOUR (6 MINUTES) AND ARE FOR REPLACEMENT WITH NEW, UNDAMAGED PARTS FROM THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURER ON A NEW, UNDAMAGED VEHICLE.
Any additional time needed for collision DAMAGE ACCESS, ALIGNMENT PULLS, NON-ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT or USED PARTS should be agreed upon by all parties. Times for some operations are applicable after necessary bolted, attached or related parts have been removed.
Exceptional circumstances, including all the sub-operations or extra operations, are indicated as notes throughout the text or are identified in the Procedure Explanations.
The actual time taken by individual repair facilities to replace collision damaged parts can be expected to vary due to severity of collision, vehicle condition, equipment used, etc.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex & Mitchell – (M) Mechanical Operations for Scanning Operations
All three Information providers, CCC, Mitchell and Audatex, acknowledge that scanning operations required during the repair process is a (M)/ Mechanical process.
CCC has confirmed that it plans to add the (M) feature to the database shortly.
Both Mitchell and Audatex already designate the operation to Mechanical when selected from the database.
Users may still need to manually input the (M) coding depending on the IP they are using.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex & Mitchell – Charging Battery / Maintain Battery Voltage
Certain repair situations may require the on board vehicle battery to be connected to a battery charger/ battery maintainer during repairs.
Example of this situation is during the scanning process.The OEM may state the vehicle must maintain a certain voltage to ensure all modules, computers, and electrical consumer equipment are being scanned at the proper voltage level. Battery charging/ Battery maintenance is NOT INCLUDED in developed labor times and would be an on the spot evaluation.
Estimating Tip: Information on Tire Replacement
Repairers may find it challenging to find information regarding tire replacement documentation and when to replace all four(4) or two(2) tire’s to match the opposite side on the same axle.
Some OEM Repair websites may not have this information listed. DEG Suggests locating this information in the vehicle owners manual which would typically be found in the glove box of the vehicle or found online using the digital copy. Using the index of the manual, look up “tires” or “tyres” for quick search of the manual.
DEG has made a spread sheet of all major vehicle manufacturer links to access owner’s manuals online in digital format.
Manufacture owners support weblinks.pdf
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Air Bag / SRS Component Inspection and Replacement Tables
Mitchell has published a comprehensive list of parts and inspections required after SRS/ Airbag deployment. This information is available online here: http://static.mymitchell.com/static/webhelp/ppages/abt/1033/index.htm
Users will need to click on the “Air Bag/ SRS Component Inspection & Replacement” tab and select the appropriate manufacturer, model and year for the vehicle.
You are not required to be a Mitchell user/subscriber to view this information. This can be used as a quick reference chart/tool during the repair planning stages to determine vehicle repairability.
Disclaimer: This is not a substitute over OEM repair information. OEM Repair information is available by visiting www.oem1stop.com. Manufactures technical websites will always have the most current and up today information. You may be required to create a log in and pay for subscription cost to view and access OEM direct information.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – Additional Labor for ADAS Measurement
Vehicles equipped with ADAS Blind Spot Monitor systems may have a procedure in the workshop manual to measure the mounting bracket position. This procedure can be labor intensive and require additional r/I work to access certain control points on the vehicle. Labor to measure, verify and repair if needed is NOT INCLUDED and should be an on the spot evaluation.
Below example is from Honda Service Express showing 2016 Acura RDX. It is always important to look up the full procedure from the OEM to verify all measurements and instructions required.
Estimating Tip: All Three Estimating Systems – 2019 Chevy Silverado Database Update
All three information providers have provided feedback for the new redesigned 2019 Chevy Silverado database being released.
• 2019 Chevrolet 1500 Pickup: Estimated delivery from MOTOR to CCC is 11/30/2018. If received on this date, the data will be released to electronic users on 12/14/2018 or the January 2019 DVD release.
• 2019 GMC 1500 Pickup: MOTOR has not yet started development of this data at this time.
• 2019 Chevrolet 1500 Pickup: 2019 Chevy Silverado 1500 is currently scheduled to be available with the November 2018 (18.11) update/product release.
• 2019 Chevrolet 1500 Pickup: Crew Cab – 1/19 release; Ext Cab – 3/19 release; Single Cab – TBD
• 2019 GMC Sierra: Crew Cab – 3/19 release; Ext Cab – 3/19 release; Single Cab – TBD.
Please note, the above information is based on current information available from all three IP’s. Changes to release date may be possible depending on development schedule.
Estimator Tip: CCC/ MOTORS – Updated P Pages GTE Guide
11/1/18 CCC/MOTORS has officially updated the P pages/ GTE Guide online and within CCCone estimating program. Click Here to view a live version of the CCC P Pages
A downloadable PDF Cope is also available by clicking here
The DEG has made a “Delta” Report of the changes/ and additions made. Click here to view a copy of the Changes made. To read more about the update
More information about the changes can be read on the latest RDN Article
Estimating Tip: All Three Estimating Systems-Secondary Color/E-coat Color Duplication
Refinish labor to duplicate factory “E-coat”/Over-spray appearance on non-visible back side/undersides is NOT INCLUDED. Refinish times also does not include color matching, mixing the appropriate color variant and labor to mask interior surfaces. As always, material cost is NOT INCLUDED in refinish labor times.
Estimating Tip: CCC/MOTOR – Deduct for Overlap Grille Labor
Recent Inquiry 12871 discovered that when grille R/I is being performed on bumper cover R/I or R/R labor, Deduct for Overlap is still being applied to the R/I grille labor when the time has already been adjusted to the R/I labor value based on the H Notes section.
Below is the response from CCC:
“It appears the attempt to allow the difference of labor time between R&R and R&I Grille is not working properly when the R&R Grille is selected with the R&R Bumper, and the bumper includes only the R&I grille per the footnote. This is causing a negative impact that was not identified initially.
CCC does not currently have the ability to support the R&I portion of labor time being deducted from the R&R Grille time when selected with the R&R or O/H Bumper.
The overlap deduction currently in place will need to be removed, and this concern will be added to the backlog for further review when time permits.”
This example below shows a 2016 Honda Odyssey overlap being taken on r/I grille which should not apply and manually needs to be corrected.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex & Mitchell-Quick Reference Chart Pre/Post Scan Included/Not Included Labor Operations
The DEG has developed a quick reference chart of included/not included labor operations on repairs requiring pre/post scan,initializing and calibration. To download this chart click this link Quick Reference pre, post relearn chart
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex & Mitchell- Quick Reference of Repair Conditions Involving Seam Sealers and Protective Coatings for Welded Panel Labor
The DEG has developed a quick reference chart of Included and not Included labor operations when working with repairs involving the following conditions.To download this chart click this link>> Quick reference protective coating removal
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Glass Sealant Part Selection and Labor
“We have reviewed the current Audatex labor procedures and labor allocation for the SEALANT KIT,QTR GLASS (GN 0317/0318) and GLASS,QUARTER TINTED (GN 0321/0322). In Audatex, when a user adds both aforementioned items to an estimate, the system allocates the labor to the lowest guide number after any applicable overlap is applied. This guide number hierarchy is integrated into Audatex labor development. Estimator judgement times or manual entries will not remove preexisting overlap deductions where labor economies between multiple parts have already been considered. This is the normal function of the Audatex Estimating system. No change warranted at this time.”
Users can tell by reviewing the Audatex estimate report if the labor time is modified from the “Quarter Glass Sealant Kit” locating a “*” next to the labor line.
When both the sealant kit and glass is selected, the Labor Time will automatically allocate to the Glass Sealant and should be careful to know this is the actual labor for the glass R/I or R/R procedure.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – TESLA Database Now Available
MITCHELL has officially launched Tesla Vehicle database for the Model S, X and now Model 3. Additionally improved VIN decoding options are now available.
Please note, this is not an approval for every body shop to work on Tesla Vehicles. Non Approved Tesla body shops should still check with Tesla parts departments for part restrictions prior to working on vehicle as well as understanding the dangers and risk involved working with high voltage systems.
Users should also note parts are updated frequently and should still confirm with TESLA EPC for most current and up to date information for correct part numbers and pricing. Please submit DEG inquiries for any missing or outdated information for Tesla Database in MITCHELL.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Labor Report
How to obtain a copy of the Audatex Labor Report can be viewed by watching the video here.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex, and Mitchell- Disassembly of Replacement Parts for Refinish
Some replacement parts may come preassembled from the supplier in primer or with incorrect supplied body color.
Labor to disassemble replacement parts i.e. grilles, mirrors, various exterior mounted body parts is NOT INCLUDED and would require an on the spot evaluation.
An example of this situation would be a replacement grille for a Ram 1500 PN68197703AA which comes “Primed” from the supplier. Additional labor to remove the inserts is NOT INCLUDED with the refinish labor or the body labor for r/r.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex, Mitchell- Factory Color Pack’s
Some vehicle OEM colors may require a special pigment toner to be mixed in-house or a factory color pack (pre-mixed color) to perform refinishing repairs due to exotic high cost pigments. The cost of these color packs and toners which are only supplied by your paint manufacture may cost more than your material calculator rate and could be billed out as a separate line cost.
Each paint manufacture has a list of special color codes specific to each OEM, and is important for repair planners to address when determining cost during damage analysis. This will also help to order the necessary materials before the vehicle lands in the paint department, eliminating delays in the repair process.
An example of this would be Lexus color code 8Y0 Structural Blue which is only available as a factory color pack from PPG Automotive. PPG shows how to repair Lexus 8Y0 Structural Blue by visiting their YouTube channel https://youtu.be/TYbKITlDRWU.
Always reference your paint manufactures’ TSB’s for the latest information available regarding these special colors.
Recent Inquiry 12587 on 2014-2018 Chevy/ GMC pickup trucks that the replacement fenders do not come from the factory with seam sealer and caulk on the inside panel of the wheel house. The labor and material cost to replicate the OEM appearance is NOT INCLUDED in all three estimating systems.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – OEM EPC (Electronic Parts Catalogue) Access to Toyota / Lexus Vehicles
Toyota and Lexus have now made it easier to gain access to their OEM EPC’s allowing shops to access this information directly saving a phone call to their local parts department trying to figure out the part they are looking for. Users can visit https://parts.toyota.com or https://parts.lexus.com. Both sites allow the user to input a VIN to pull up the correct parts schematic.
If the part is missing from any of the three estimating systems (Audatex, CCC and Mitchell), please submit a DEG INQUIRY with the missing information so it can be added to the database.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Shipping labels and decals attached to replacement parts
Labor times for Body and Refinish in all three estimating systems (Audatex, CCC and Mitchell) Does not include the labor to remove shipping labels and decals which may also leave behind adhesive residue. This labor would require an on the spot evaluation for additional labor to be added.
Refer to DEG’s Estimate Tool Box for access to all three information providers P pages.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Frame Replacement Estimate Tips
Audatex users having to perform repairs where fluid lines need to be replaced or r/I complete must consider a manual labor time for this operations. Section 4-2 of the DBRM States • Complete R&I of brake line, transmission line, or fuel line is NOT INCLUDED.
Section 4-3 Replacement and Recycled operations for specific components may only call out to “disconnect” the line only.
An example of having to determine a full labor value for this would be on a full frame replacement requiring replacement or r/I of a brake, fuel line, AC Lines from the damaged part to the new replacement part.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – 2016-2017 Honda Civic Fender Bracket
2016-2017 OEM Honda Civic fenders requiring replacement will not come supplied with “front bracket” (Part #’s Right 60213TBAA00ZZ Left 60263TBAA00ZZ) and “lower bracket” (Part #’s Right 60212TBAA00ZZ Left 60262TBAA00ZZ) that are originally welded and riveted with adhesive from the factory on the original part.
Both CCC and Mitchell does not include the labor to transfer the brackets in the fender replacement time. The labor time in the database is based on installing a new “UNDAMAGED” bracket and does not include labor to repair the old bracket for reuse onto the new replacement fender.
Audatex labor time for fender replacement considers the brackets included, but this is based on installing a new undamaged part onto the replacement fender.
Additional labor should be considered if having to reuse an existing bracket to bring it to new, undamaged condition ready for installation as well as refinishing of the bracket if required.
Rivets and adhesive cost is NOT INCLUDED in all three estimating systems when doing this procedure.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – One time use fasteners and hardware
OEM’s may require specific hardware and fasteners to be replaced every time they are removed from the vehicle for repairs. This may include Clips, Rivets, nuts, bolts and washers. The costs of these are not included and would need to be considered for the estimate/repair plan being made.
All three information providers do not list out every bit of hardware and clips in the database. It is important to reference the OEM workshop manual as well as the OEM EPC (electronic parts catalogue) for correct part number and notes. Any person that runs across missing information in the estimating system should submit a DEG inquiry with the correct part number and information calling out for one time use so the appropriate IP can add it to the database with the appropriate note.
Toyota has publshed has published a great article in reference “Non-Reusable Parts” (https://news.crrtraining.com/understanding-non-reusable-parts/) Also Reference Toyota CRIB Bulletin 188 (https://degweb.org/crib-188)
Always reference every OEM Service information for bulletins and documents for vehicle repairs. Access OEM service information can be located through www.oem1stop.com
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Replacement parts may come pre-painted and assembled from the OEM
Some OEM replacement parts may come pre-painted and/or assembled complete with exterior trim already attached to the part. The replacement part may not match the vehicle color you are working on. This will require additional labor if required to dissemble the replacement part and apply the correct color you are working on. This labor is NOT INCLUDED in all three information providers database and require an on the spot evaluation. This would also apply to LKQ assembly parts (i.e. doors, trunks, fenders etc…)
A recent example of this from the OEM would be a 2014-2019 Nissan Rogue which comes already supplied from the OEM in its most popular color K23 Silver including glass, wiring and hardware already attached to the lift gate.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – TPMS Sensors (Tire Pressure Monitoring System)
When wheels need to be replaced, it is important to follow the OEM Repair procedure and protocol when dealing with valve stems and TPMS Sensors. Many OEM may require the TPMS Sensor be rebuilt using a “parts kit” Anytime the sensor nut is loosened or the tire is replaced. Rebuilding TPMS Sensors is NOT INCLUDED as well as the cost of the repair kit.
CCC/Motors GTE Guide States that TPMS Sensor labor is INCLUDED when replacing a wheel. Rebuilding a TPMS Sensor is NOT INCLUDED. Refer to inquiry 12423
Mitchell: CEG Guide under wheels: TPMS Sensor R/I or R/R is NOT INCLUDED in the wheel replacement labor time
Audatex: Labor report may include the TPMS Sensor labor as INCLUDED when replacing a wheel. Rebuilding a TPMS Sensor is NOT INCLUDED unless specifically stated in the labor report.
Electronic reset or programming of the TPMS System is NOT INCLUDED and will require an on the spot evaluation.
SCRS also offers a TPMS Relearn Chart to serve as a quick reference for technicians working on TPMS equipped vehicles. The chart can be found at https://scrs.com/product/tpms-relearn-chart/
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Seat Belt Inspections
OEM’s may require a seat belt inspection to be performed after a collision regardless of speed and impact severity. This operation is NOT INCLUDED, and will require on the spot evaluation for labor as well as following OEM repair procedures. Documentation from the OEM can be found by visiting www.oem1stop.com then selecting the appropriate manufactures web link for proper information.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Pre-wash and Completed Vehicle Detail/Clean-up
Vehicles may require a pre-wash prior to starting repairs to remove contaminants, dirt, grime, and/or debris. This process is NOT INCLUDED in the information provider’s labor times.
After repairs are complete, final wash, detail and clean-up of the repair process is NOT INCLUDED in labor times.
Both process’ would require an on the spot evaluation of appropriate material cost and labor.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Masking Unpainted Areas of Bumper Covers
CCC/Motors: Masking the grained, textured, or non-body color portions in preparation for body color application is an included operation. This process is only included one time in the refinish labor operation. Should the process require multiple masking operations for preparation and again for refinish, this would require an additional on the spot evaluation.
Mitchell: Masking of non-painted areas within the perimeter of a bumper cover is not included in the refinish allowance, unless identified with a labor footnote.
Audatex: Masking the grained, textured, or non-body color portions in preparation for body color application is an included operation. This process is only included one time in the refinish labor operation. Should the process require multiple masking operations for preparation and again for refinish, this would require an additional on the spot evaluation.
Final DEG Note: Masking Material cost is NOT INCLUDED with labor times.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Mitchell and Audatex – Wire Harness and Computer Modules
Repairs requiring wiring, cables, computers or modules to be removed or set back is NOT INCLUDED in repairs or panel replacement time, unless specifically noted in footnotes of the specific component you are working on. This will require an on the spot evaluation as each vehicle and model is specific due to vehicle options and various complexities running wiring in the vehicle.
Mitchell states the following:
When working with vehicles equipped with on-board computers, manufacturers recommend removal if temperatures are likely to exceed 176×F (80×C). Do not apply heat from a torch or weld in the immediate vicinity of computers without protecting them. Remove if necessary.
Many vehicles have multiple computers such as: Electronic Control Modules (ECM), Body Control Modules (BCM), individual computers for Anti-Lock Brake Systems and Electronic Suspension systems. All of these computers should be protected or removed before exposing them to high heat. Never connect or disconnect these units with ignition switch on, or charge a battery with battery cables connected. Before servicing, ground yourself and ground the work area to discharge stored static electricity.
Computer control information is listed in the Electrical Section of all Mitchell Collision Estimating Guides. There is a footnote below the listing or an illustration describing the location of each unit.”
Inquiry 12163 States that the estimated work time applied to Front End Alignment is to perform set up and align procedures on the front of the vehicle only. If any procedures or adjustments are required to be made to the rear of the vehicle they would be considered not included.
Example would be a vehicle with a non-adjustable rear axle. The front alignment is always dependent on the rear end to be in correct specifications prior to adjusting the front end. The correct way to add this on the estimate is to “Wheel alignment front wheels” + Add “Check Rear alignment” from the rear suspension group Additional operations to set up the heads and read the specifications prior to making any adjustments on the front.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Color Tint
Audatex’s two stage setup refinish labor includes time for standard tint.
Standard tint is defined as the initial mix, check, one tint cycle, and check. Audatex’s studies revealed instances where additional time was required for the tinting process. The range of this additional time was commonly between 0.1 and 1.0 hours with an average of 0.5 hours per estimate per color. The appearance of color match can be difficult enough to require both color tint (tinting to adjust the color) and blending.
I-CAR Finish Matching (Module 2, Topic 3) recommends planning and preparing for blending before the work begins. Per I-CAR, tinting should be done only to achieve a blendable match.
Estimating Tip: CCC, Audatex and Mitchell – OEM Information Website Access, Research and Diagnostic Costs Not Included in Labor Times
OEM information website access cost is NOT INCLUDED in developed labor times in all three estimating systems. OEM technical information sites offer multiple subscription options available to end users depending on their specific needs and time. Research and disgnostic labor time is also not included in published labor times.
Both labor and subscription cost would require and on the spot evaluation to be added on the repair plan/work order.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Refinish Bed Underside
“Refinish Complete Bed Assy Including Tailgate” does not include labor to refinish the underside bed assembly. A separate refinish selection needs to be added from the Mitchell database.
Depending on the paint manufacturer, the underside refinish may require a flattened or matte clear to be used over the underside color for additional protection. This is not an included operation and the clear coat labor for the underside would need to be manually entered following the clear coat formula in the CEG guide under page 28 Refinish Section.
Material Costs for refinish are NOT INCLUDED in the labor allowances.
Estimating Tip: CCC/MOTORS – Not Included Masking Operations
CCC/MOTOR masking operation can be found in the GTE (P pages) under Refinish Procedures- Bagging (cover entire vehicle exterior: The following applies per the GTE)
CCC- Not Included Masking Operations: Bagging (Cover Entire Vehicle Exterior)
Published refinish times include time necessary to mask exterior surface adjacent the refinish area to a perimeter of 36 inches, or 3 feet. When the process of perimeter masking is substituted for an entire vehicle bagging procedure, then no additional time should be added. If entire vehicle bagging is used along with perimeter masking, then the following formula may be considered.
APPLY AND REMOVE VEHICLE COVER (BAGGING)
· Add 0.2 each time a cover is applied and removed
Additional NOT INCLUDED masking operations
Listed under “Basic Color Coat Application”
· Cover mask engine / compartment to prevent overspray
· Cover / mask entire exterior of vehicle to prevent overspray damage
· Cover / mask for prime and block
· Cover / mask for cut-in
· Cover / mask recessed edges / jambs
· Cover / mask trunk / compartment to prevent overspray
· Cover / mask interior of vehicle to prevent overspray damage
Listed under “Color Blend (adjacent panels)/ And “Three-stage Color Blend (Adjacent panels)- NOT INCLUDED operations
· Cover / mask recessed edges / jambs
· Masking of attached parts
What if I decide to rope/ lift window glass seals or leave attached parts on the vehicle?
In the event a facility decides roping or “lifting” window seals are best repair option for the vehicle repairs, Published refinish times are for one color applied to new undamaged OEM replacement components, without exterior trim, interior trim or other attached components. Roping or lifting seals would require an on the spot evaluation for labor time if required.
As always Material cost associated with masking operations are NOT INCLUDED.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Not Included Drain, Refill and Bleed Operations
Audatex DBRM 4-2 Labor exclusions state the following are NOT INCLUDED considerations in labor time development:
• Drain, refill and/or top off engine oil.
• Drain or refill fuel tank.
• Drain, refill and/or top off transmission fluid.
An example would be vehicle with oil, transmission coolers built into the radiator or separate cooler requiring to be disconnected, drained and refilled using the appropriate fluid.
Additionally bleeding operations are NOT INCLUDED in labor time development.
• Bleeding of brake, cooling, or hydraulic systems (“Additional labor” for brake bleeding.)
An example would be having to bleed or purge air out of a cooling/ radiator during the refill process, or filling and bleeding a brake system after opening the fluid lines to disconnect.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Not Included Masking Operations
Mitchell- Not Included Masking Operations
In the Mitchell CEG (Collision Estimating Guide), Mitchell has listed out additional not included operations when it comes to masking a vehicle. Located under Page 28 under “Mask Vehicle to Prevent Overspray Damage,” Mitchell has listed out labor operation suggestions for additional not included operations.
Mask Vehicle to Prevent Overspray Damage
The following refinish information is provided should it be necessary to perform these operations as determined by individual job requirements:
MASK INTERIOR, ENTRYWAYS, ENGINE COMPARTMENT AND TRUNK OPENINGS
Interior masking may be necessary when refinishing exterior surfaces to stop overspray damage that is not prevented by adjacent panel perimeter masking which includes back taping or application of foam tape. Interior masking may also be used when exterior panels (door, hood, etc.) are removed while applying refinish material. The performance of this operation is NOT INCLUDED in the Mitchell refinish labor time.
Fig. 1: IDENTIFYING INTERIOR MASKING LOCATIONS
NOTE: The times shown in the illustration are for interior masking of that panel and/or opening. Labor time includes all pillars, jambs, weatherstrips, edges, entryways and openings as necessary. Deduct .1 hour overlap for each interior masked adjacent panel and/or opening.
As always, Material cost are NOT INCLUDED in labor times.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Refinish Labor on Recycled Parts
CCC Users may experience a variance in reported labor times on “recycled” parts vs new replacement parts in the database. DEG’s recent inquiry 12042 discovered that clear coat labor on edges and inside is not an option that is given and it may not be available in the estimate line properties to add for clear coat on those two refinish instances.
CCC/MOTOR Response: Estimated Release Date: Closed
Proposed Resolution: CCC’s collision-estimating tools contain limited automated logic support when recycled parts or assemblies are used. All of CCC’s tools include MOTOR’s RACED database so the estimator has all of the necessary information, and can make the appropriate manual adjustments. CCC will be implementing additional logic in future product releases.
At this time there is no estimated fix for this logic and DEG encourages users to manually enter the missing refinish labor associated for edges and insides if applicable for that specific repair needs. The following clear coat formula is available in the Guide to Estimating (P pages). Note that 2.5 clear coat cap is for ONE continuous application and booth cycle. If multiple booth cycles are needed for repairs, the clear coat cap would start over and this would need to be a manual consideration.
• First major panel;
– Add 40% to refinish time
• Each additional panel;
– Add 20% to refinish time
• Maximum time allocation
– 2.5 hours
If users find a difference in refinish labor allowances, please submit an inquiry to www.degweb.org so we verify the concern and work with the appropriate information provider.
Here is a quick video showing users how to add clear coat on edges or inside panels when clear coat labor is not automatically added
Estimating Tip: All Three Estimating Systems – ASA Not Included Quick Reference Chart
ASA (Automotive Service Association) maintains and updates the Quick Reference Chart of “Not-Included” Operations When Installing New Replacement Parts. Anyone can view and save this document by clicking the link here.
This chart gives users a quick reference between all three information providers’ not included operations broken down by component category. It’s important to note, this is not a substitute for the actual IP’s CEG, GTE and DBRM which can be accessed thru DEG’s Estimate Toolbox.
All Three Estimating Systems – NON OEM parts with Badges and Emblems
It’s important to note when selecting NON OEM parts with an emblem or badge attached (i.e. Grille’s, Finish panel moldings) in the estimating system, OEM emblems and badges may not come with the NON OEM part due to copyright infringement. OEM parts will typically come as an assembly or available to purchase separately. The estimating system may not allow you to select the additional part to be added if this is sold as an assembly from the OEM. This will require a manual entry or may want to consider using a complete assembly part from the OEM. Its also important to look at the NON OEM part to verify the location of the badge or emblem base. They may not be identical to the OEM design.
Estimating Tip: CCC-Labor for Cooling Fan Components NOT Included in Radiator Labor Times
Recent DEG Inquiry 11920 discovered a CCC error in the system which will require users to perform manual entry to allocate correct labor times.
Radiator replacement time includes to R/I cooling fan shroud as an assembly with the motor and fan blade still attached.
When having to replace an individual component of the cooling fan, the part may come up as included or with a standalone time which may also include another component of the cooling fan part. If this occurs, the estimator would need to make manual line consideration for additional labor times.
Always refer to the part selection footnotes and the CEG Guide to ensure labor is being assigned correctly.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Quarter Panel Replacement, Additional Labor for Urethane Set Glass
When performing quarter panel replacement, the labor procedure does not include allowances for necessary precautionary measures to remove undamaged urethane set glass, nor clean-up of the old adhesive on the glass. If the existing urethane set glass is undamaged and will be reused, the labor time difference between the glass R&R and R&I represents the not included allowance. This additional labor option is available to select in the “Add to R&R” in the part selection menu.
Estimating Tip: All Three Estimating Systems – Air Conditioner
Air conditioning systems which have been damaged during a collision or a system that has been open and exposed, and not immediately sealed, the receiver drier or desiccant element should be replaced.
During A/C r134a and R1234yf evacuate and recharge process, testing for leaks is NOT INCLUDED. Cost of refrigerant, oil and seals are NOT INCLUDED in labor times.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Vacuum-Fill & Bleed Cooling System
When cooling radiators need to be R/I or R/R during the repair process, the coolant fill may be required to perform Vacuum-Fill & Bleed operation. If this process is required, this is NOT INCLUDED and would need to be selected from the Add To section of the part selection screen. This can be found under the “Cooling” section in the of the part selection menu.
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Non included operations in door shell labor
Recent DEG Inquiry 11797 addresses not included considerations in door shell replacement.
Door shell transferal of small grommets, clips or fasteners is not included in the Audatex provided labor values. This would require an on the spot evaluation of additional labor time if required when replacing door shells in Audatex database.
Glued on Weather strip measuring is included in Audatex provided labor values, whether installing or transferring to a new panel. Weather strip cleanup time is not an included operation, please see the DBRM Section 4-3 Replacement & Recycled Operations.
Estimating Tip: CCC – Structural Classification
Estimators and technicians may notice an (S) labor classification in the estimate. The (S) is to identify “structural” components selected in the database estimate. A Structural component defined by CCC/Motor is the following.
Structural: Components that provide a load bearing foundation for the purpose of safety and/or stability. Shops may also notice in the Rates section the ability to charge a different rate for this type of repair if elected.
“Classifications are not inclusive of all components. Usage of MOTOR component classifications to determine labor rates is at the sole discretion of the end user(s). Please note that any component can be designated as mechanical by the end user. This would be inclusive of Mechanical, Structural, Frame, glass, etc. in the database.”
Additional to components that fall under the Structural Component Classification, refer to G6 in the Guide to Estimating (P pages) documents.
Structural Component Identification
Structural component identification information as presented in I-CAR Enhanced Delivery programs. Welded structural parts can be made from different types of metal; identification is not based on metal type. Replacement requires specific measuring equipment and vehicle dimensions must be correct. If improperly repaired, road performance and crashworthiness of the vehicle may be affected. Airbag deployment may also be affected.
Welded structural parts on a unibody vehicle typically include:
-APRONS / STRUT TOWER
-RADIATOR CORE SUPPORT
-REAR STRUT TOWER
Welded structural parts of the body on a body-over-frame vehicle typically include:
-CAB CORNER (PICK-UP)
-CAB BACK PANEL (PICK-UP)
-RADIATOR CORE SUPPORT
Some parts that are bolted, bonded or welded may add structural integrity to a vehicles body. These parts are made from different types of materials and vehicle dimensions must be correct before replacement. If improperly repaired, road performance and crashworthiness of the vehicle may be affected. Airbag deployment may also be affected.
Parts that may add structural integrity to a vehicles body may include:
-ENGINE CRADLE (bolt-on)
-IMPACT BAR (bolt-on)
-RADIATOR CORE SUPPORT (bolt-on)
-REAR BODY PANEL
-STATIONARY GLASS (urethane bonded)
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Duplication of Seam Sealer Appearance
The labor time for welded panels includes the application of caulking/seam sealer to the joints, gaps and seams of welded panels to achieve water sealing. It does not include the use of a caulking/seam sealer product as undercoating or sound deadening. It also does not include any necessary masking, set-up and clean-up of an application tool, test patterns or application of material to duplicate factory look, texture and color or to create noise and vibration absorbing properties for the panel(s).
Estimating Tip: CCC-Mechanical Component Labor
Collision repair facilities performing mechanical operations may find incomplete information in the GTE Pages about included or not included operations. Unless noted in the database part selection footnote, estimators and technicians should consider the part and replacement time if displayed to install the selected component as a stand-alone operation and nothing else to be included in the operation.
As an example, if a part requires a bleed procedure to be performed, this should be considered as additional labor and part/fluid cost unless the part selection footnote says otherwise.
Always refer to the OEM’s technical information for any notes when performing repairs. OEM technical information sites can be found at www.oemonestop.com.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell-OEM Procedures
Mitchell and Toyota have teamed up to create OEM Procedures and predictive estimating available within the Mitchell estimating program. From the part selection home screen (repair tab), users will need to click on the “OEM Procedures” tab and select the part they want to R/R, Repair, or Blend. Once a selection is made on a component, the system will bring up a list of common required operations and one time use replacement parts per the TIS workshop manual. The user has the option to select all or select individual lines to automatically add to the estimate. This feature may also include a footnote to a one time use part to add documentation to your estimate. It is important to note, this is not a substitute from looking up OEM repair procedures from the OEM. Updates from the OEM may occur daily and may not make it to the estimating system until the following month’s update. Always refer to the OEM repair procedures by visiting www.OEM1STOP.com for a direct link to the OEM for the specific vehicle you are repairing.
Estimating Tip: Audatex-Refinish Floor Undersides/Separate Booth Cycles
DEG Inquiry 11652 clarifies Audatex internal labor procedures; the box assembly refinish allowance does not include time for box undersides or unexposed parts. This would be an estimator judgment item on the estimate, as well as any additional setup times or booth cycles. The current refinish allowance is correct according to Audatex internal refinish procedures and is considered to be one setup and one continuous paint application.
Additional information regarding Edges/ Jambs/ Undersides in Audatex DBRM can be accessed by clicking HERE.
Section 4-4 Refinish Guidelines Edges / Jambs / Undersides
Some parts require refinishing undersides or other interior surface edges. Edging is performed prior to surface refinish as a preparation step to refinishing the entire surface of the job at the same time. Edging is generally done with the parts off the vehicle prior to installation. Audatex’s study shows significantly less refinish labor per area for edges, jambs, or undersides than for the surface refinishing. To receive the labor for edges, jambs, or undersides, the panel must be replaced and refinish must be selected for that panel. When a repair is being performed, labor for edges, jambs, or undersides needs to be a separate consideration.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell, Audatex, CCC-2013-2018 Toyota RAV4 Inner Rear Body Panel Section Procedure
2013-2018 Toyota RAV4 inner rear body panel may allow a section procedure that may let the technician perform a “small” or “large” repair for sectioning the rear body panel, and not requiring a full panel replacement. This can save the vehicle from having an intrusive repair as outlined in the TOYOTA TIS documents. Estimators and technicians are encouraged to always check OEM repair documents for approved repair and sectioning procedures set by the OEM manufacture. CCC, Mitchell, and Audatex each have “sectioning” or partial replacement labor set up in the database for this specific model. It is important to read and understand the labor premise and footnotes when performing partial replacement of a component in the estimating guide for included and not included operations.
Access to OEM Repair instructions can be located by vising www.oem1stop.com or clicking the link from the DEG Estimate Tool Box page
Estimating Tip: CCC One – Verifying Correct Database Version
Sometime users may experience incomplete or outdated information in the CCC database, as a result of using an incorrect version. Users can confirm which version they are using by going to ESTIMATE PROPERTIES in the Estimate Tab to confirm the database version date. If the date is past than 30 days old or if you are still experiencing issues, you can contact CCC Technical Support at 800-637-8511 to assist in running an update.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell – No refinish time for brackets, braces, minor components, and interior structure
DEG Inquiry 11562 explains Mitchell does not develop refinish times for brackets, braces, minor components, and interior structure parts of a vehicle. This will require an on the spot evaluation and a manual entry for such needed repairs. Individual refinish times are not developed for brackets, braces, minor components, or interior structure.
Should a component require refinish individually, Mitchell Estimating provides functionality to allow the user to manually input a refinish time for
“PLEASE REFERENCE THE FOLLOWING FROM THE LABOR GENERAL INFORMATION SECTION OF THE PROCEDURE EXPLANATIONS, UNDER COMPREHENSIVE LABOR TIMES:
COMPREHENSIVE LABOR TIME WHILE COMPLETENESS IS STRIVED FOR IN EACH GUIDE, THERE WILL BE INSTANCES, HOWEVER, IN WHICH A LABOR TIME HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR AN OPERATION AT THE TIME OF PUBLICATION. IF AN ITEM REQUIRES REPLACEMENT AND CAN BE REPLACED AS AN INDIVIDUAL
ITEM BUT SHOWS NO TIME, A TIME SHOULD BE AGREED UPON AMONG ALL PARTIES AND RECORDED ON THE DAMAGE REPORT. IT ALSO SHOULD NOT BE INFERRED THAT A COMPONENT WITH NO ESTABLISHED MITCHELL LABOR TIME HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN ANOTHER COMPONENTS LABOR ALLOWANCE.”
Estimating Tip: Audatex – Understanding “Combination Front Suspension” Overlap Labor
When reading Audatex labor report, you may notice “Combination, Frt Susp” Overlap Labor. This is considered labor to raise and support the vehicle. This overlap is in conjunction with another labor value on the repair order.
Navigating Nissan Tech Info
12/13/17 Nissan USA published a video to the Collision Repair Industry showing users how to access information via www.nissan-techinfo.com . Users can visit the video directly by watching below or clicking here and watching the 4:49 minute tutorial. This will guide users how to obtain bulletins and technical information for Nissan vehicles.
As always, users can access Nissan-techinfo via www.oemonestop.com
CCC-Assembly Line Components
In some situations, an OEM may substitute a “Catalog Service Part” with an “Assembly Line Component” that may include additional “Service Parts.”
An “Assembly Line Component” may require removing “OEM Spot Welds” and separating a “Sub-Component (Service Part)” from the “Main Assembly” this is considered a “Partial Part Replacement.”
The time necessary to perform this type of operation should be estimated after an on-the-spot evaluation of required procedure.
If the “Assembly Line Component” is to be replaced as received, the time required for Full Replacement should be determined after an on-the-spot evaluation of required procedures.
Estimating Tip: Mitchell, CCC, Audatex – Drill Holes for Park Sensor or Lamps
When ordering replacement parts, the part may not come with the appropriate mounting holes for installing park sensors or side marker lights. If a part needs to be modified to accept PDC or side marker lamps, additional labor should be considered on the estimate/work order. If no time is available in the database for this labor, an on the spot evaluation should be considered with all parties involved. Some OEMs may have a specific tool to use for this procedure. Reference the OEM workshop manuals, EPC for notes, procedures or supersede documents for the most current information available.
Mitchell states the following in the Labor General Information section: Rework parts t o fit a particular year or model (example: cutting holes for lamps, modifying a radiator support.)
CCC/Motor states the following in the Labor Time Premise Does Not Include Section: Drilling, modification or fabrication of mounting holes.
Audatex states the following in Section 4-2 Labor Exclusions: Labor for drilling necessary to attach parts (e.g., ornamentation, antennas, etc.)(Standard Manual Entry M61 is available.)
Mitchell-Destructive weld testing
Destructive weld testing is NOT INCLUDED in labor allowances in Mitchell estimating system. The cost of materials associated with weld testing is also NOT INCLUDED in the labor guide. It’s important to follow OEM repair procedures and bulletins posted by the OEM and I-CAR for proper welding machine settings, welding wire allowance, as well as weld thru primer allowances.
Visit OEM1STOP as well as I-CAR RTS Team for technical information.
CCC – Sectioning Time Not Listed in Database
Some OEM’s allow parts to be sectioned or partially replaced at a factory seam. When this repair option is being considered and no section time is available, the user can still enter a manual entry labor time agreed upon by all parties and still show “section” on the estimate to be compliant. It is important to follow OEM Procedures and Bulletins posted by the OE to ensure proper repairs are being completed.
Audatex – Extending Clear Coat to Nearest Breaking Point or Panel
There is no set formula when a user must extend clear coat on an adjacent panel(s) breaking point.
Section 4-4 of the DBRM states the following: “When the estimator enters a judgment time for refinish labor, the estimator also determines the included operations. Operations that might be considered in the repair refinish time include any steps required to bring the panel to the condition of a new, undamaged panel. This may include feather edge, blow off and clean, mask to prime, tack off, mix etch primer, prime bare metal, mix and apply primer filler, guide coat application, unmask as required and block sand. Panel scuff to facilitate application of clear may also be considered for two- or three-stage refinish.”
Section 4-4 of the DBRM also states the following is included with the “Two-Stage” Allowance * Cover the car * Tack wipe * Gather materials * Mix and apply clear coat * Clean-up.
Removing the surface refinish labor and only leaving the “Two-stage” labor is not the correct method of calculating extension of clear coat on adjacent panels to a break point. Preparation accounts for 43.6% of the refinish labor alone.
Read the Repairer Driven News (RDN) article wherein Audatex shares stats on its all-inclusive refinish times. The article can be found by clicking here.
Mitchell, CCC, Audatex -Storing Electrical Presets and Redeploying Customer Presets
Modern vehicle technology may have memory function set by the vehicle owner which may need to be considered during the repair process.
Memory functions may include the following: seat position, radio presets, clock, mirrors, as well as ADAS features (Advance Drivers Assist Systems.) Customers rely on these settings to be restored as it was when it arrived to the repair facility. Documenting and resetting these features are NOT included in labor times from all three estimating systems.
A good check in process will document these settings prior to starting repairs as well as communication with the vehicle owner to make them aware of the possibility of losing certain presets during the repair process.
Mitchell – ADAS (Advance Drivers Assist Systems) Mounted to Windshield
When R/I or R/R of windshield is selected, ADAS Systems i.e. (in example) camera’s and sensors mounted to the glass are not included in glass labor time unless otherwise noted in the Procedure Explanation section.
Cameras and Sensor option may be added using the “Add to” section in the parts selection menu or a manual entry may be considered.
Check with the OEM Workshop Manual to determine if required calibration process must be performed following installation of the glass.
It is also important to verify and only use OEM-Approved urethane for the bonding process.
DEG Estimating Tip: CCC- Filtered Tab
The “Filter” Drop down tab allows users to filter Parts to Right and Left side only. The filter tab also allows users to validate parts only to the VIN decoded options in CCC/Motor. In the event the vehicle is equipped with non-decoded trim or engine option parts, the user should “un-filter” the parts database to see an expanded view of all available parts for the model platform.
Omissions found in the database with filtered and unfiltered parts should still be submitted to WWW.DEGWEB.ORG for changes to be made in the estimating platform
DEG Estimating Tip: Mitchell – Symbols on Estimate Report
Next to the “Dollar Amount” and “Labor Units” columns you may find an * or a # symbol next to the input value.
A * symbol represents a judgement item.
A # symbol represents that a labor note applies.
A “C” in front of the REFINISH LABOR represents that clear coat labor is considered part of that refinish line.
DEG Estimating Tip: AUDATEX- Updates to Database Repair Manual (DBRM)
Audatex has updated recently updated their Database Repair Manual (DBRM) with new updates.
Click Here for the online version.
Click Here to download the complete DBRM Guide PDF.
All updated folders and topics in the Table of Contents display an asterisk and all updates in a topic are marked in bold and italicized lettering.
Some recent changes included in Section 4-2, Labor Exclusions:
• Adhesive curing times.
• OEM aesthetic appearance matching of sealants, sound deadening or bonding materials.
• Calibration of Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) components. Excludes Tesla models through November 2017.
• Pre and/or Post Repair Diagnostic Scans. Excludes Tesla models through November 2017.
• Setup of welding equipment, welding materials and/or test welding.
**Check the full DBRM for any additional changes made**
DEG Estimating Tip: CCC – Reported Labor Times
“Times do not apply to vehicles with equipment other than that supplied by the vehicle manufacturer as standard or regular production options. If other equipment is used, the time may be adjusted to compensate for the variables. Removal and replacement of exchanged or used parts is not considered. If additional aligning or repair must be made, such factors should be considered when developing the estimate. Items not listed under the INCLUDED/DOES NOT INCLUDE heading for any given procedure have not been considered in the estimated work time development for that procedure, unless specified by a footnote. All included/not included items for labor procedures listed between pages G10 and G33 are for component R&R and R&I procedures unless otherwise indicated in operation heading.”
DEG Estimating Tip: CCC-Toyota OPT OE Market Value Parts Vendor
Toyota has recently announced a new wholesale line of radiators that are NEW OE Parts with a full Toyota warranty, at a more competitive price. These parts will not automatically show up in CCC without adding them to your parts vendor.
Click here for Instructions how to add this profile to your vendor list.
DEG Estimating Tip: CCC –
Labor to Install Spare Tire on the Vehicle
When required, an additional 0.3 hours may be necessary to remove a spare tire from its storage location and install it on the hub, later remove the spare tire from hub and return it to the original storage location. Generally used when a road wheel is removed for repair and the spare tire is temporarily installed in its place.
DEG Estimating Tip: CCC – TESLA Database Now Available
CCC has officially launched Tesla vehicle database and improved VIN decoding options.
Please note, this is not an approval for every body shop to work on Tesla Vehicles. Non-approved Tesla body shops should still check with Tesla parts departments for part restrictions prior to working on the vehicle as well as understanding the dangers and risk involved working with high voltage systems.
Users should also note parts are updated frequently and should still confirm with TESLA EPC for most current and up to date information for correct part numbers and pricing.
Please submit DEG inquiries for any missing or outdated information for Tesla database in CCC at www.degweb.org.
Audatex – Welder Set up and Test Welds
Recent DEG inquiry 11232 Is welder set up and test weld included in welded panel replacement?
Audatex response is “Welder setup and test welds are not included in the labor allowance. Language regarding this has been added to a list of future considerations for the Database Reference Manual.”
CCC/MOTOR- Updates to GTE and RACED GTE –
CCC/MOTOR has updated both GTE (Guide To Estimating) and RACED GTE August 2017 with updates.
(Rev 8-17) All updated folders and topics in the GTE Table of Contents display a star, and all updates in a topic are marked in blue.
Page G3 General Information
Page G19 Roof Headliner
Page G34 Refinish Time Premise, Underside Colors, Matte/ Flat Refinishes, 4 Stage Refinish, Flexible panels/ components
The following changes were made in the RACED GTE.
Page G3 and G4 General Information Heading
Page G34 Refinish Time Premise, Underside Colors, 4 Stage Refinish
Page G43 Matte/ Flat Refinishes
Page G44 Flexible Panels/ Components
Mitchell: Detail LIne Notes It is important to review if any “Detail LIne Notes” apply to your part selection in Mitchell database. Important information can be found here for additional operations, parts required, one time use, or included operations when selecting a component part of the repair plan.
How to Add Three Stage Paint Calculations in Mitchell
For the system to recognize and calculate three stage paint finish labor, user must write the estimate as normal with refinish/ blend operations labor added. Click on the “REF SHEET” Tab>> Additional Operations>> Refinish>> Select “Three stage”. You can also enter quick code 933014 in the upper right corner, and the system will add “Three Stage”. Once you calculate the estimate, a line will appear for Three Stage Instead of the clear coat line.
First major panel or soft bumper/fascia cover: Add .7 per refinish hour (70%), after time has been added for jamb, jamb and interior, edge panel, and/or underside (when necessary).
Additional panel(s) and/or other refinish area(s): Deduct overlap (if applicable); add .4 per refinish hour (40%), after time has been added for jamb, jamb and interior, edge panel, and/or underside (when necessary).
Blend adjacent panel(s): Allow .7 per refinish hour (70%) for each panel(s)/refinish area(s) blended.
How to Add Three Stage Calculations in Audatex –
For the system to recognize and calculate three stage paint finish, the user must select Three Stage Paint option from the vehicle options. User must go to the Vehicle Category >>> Additional vehicle options >>> Paint >>> Select “Three Stage Paint user defined from the drop down menu.
Hint: You may also enter the color code. The system may recognize and automatically switch over to three stage.
Audatex’s Three-stage formula is: Setup time of 1.0 hour upon selection of the first major panel, plus 35% of Audatex estimate refinish labor.
Audatex’s blend formula is: 50% of Audatex estimate refinish labor after overlap consideration, including two-stage or three-stage allowances, if applicable for the panel to be blended.
How to Add Three Stage Calculation in CCC ONE:
For the system to recognize and calculate three stage paint finish, the user must select Three Stage Paint option from the vehicle options. Then user must go to the Vehicle Category >>> Options >>> Paint >>> Check off “Three Stage Paint:”
First major panel: Add 70% to refinish time
Each additional panel: Add 40% to refinish time
Each blended adjacent panel or area 70% of blend panel’s base refinish time
DEG Estimating Tip : Mitchell Pre and Post Repair Scan:
Mitchell has now included Pre and Post Repair Scan to its estimating system software. These lines can be access thru the “Ref Sheet >>> Additional Operations >>> Diagnostics” or Quick Code #’s 931127 for Pre Repair Scan and or 931128 for Post Repair Scan. It’s still up to the user to input an agreed upon labor and or dollar amount for actual labor charges.
DEG Estimating Tip: Audatex Labor Report:
The Audatex Labor Report Shows the operations that may be performed for each panel on the estimate. This report includes: the guide number where any overlap has been considered, the full labor of the panel before overlap consideration, and all operations that may be applicable for a specific estimate.
The Labor Report is specific for each vehicle and provides a breakdown of included operations. This report is viewable on screen or printable for any estimate. To view the Labor report; Select Estimate reports>>Document to view>> Select “Labor” from the drop down.
DEG Estimating Tip: Ability to Override Labor Category When Doing a Frame Replacement
All three estimating systems, Audatex, CCC and Mitchell, allow the user to manually override the labor type category when doing a frame replacement on a full frame vehicle.
Example: If the user wants to charge “MECHANICAL” on the Frame Replacement Labor, Mitchell and Audatex allow you to choose from the drop down menu “Mechanical” in the labor type column. In CCC, the user would need to code the labor line as “M” on the right side of the labor column.
DEG Estimating Tip: CCC / Audatex – Storage and Protection of Removed and Loose Parts
Recent user inquiry 11017 estimated work times do not include wrap parts & label and warehouse components that are removed from the vehicle; however, MOTOR’s estimated work times do Include normal care & handling of components that are removed from the vehicle.
MOTOR recommends negotiating “wrap parts & label and warehouse” with all interested parties, in the event such conditions are required.
Audatex states this also would be a manual entry in their system.
CCC Procedure Page Tip – Glass Urethane Preparation: In the Motor Guide listed under Stationary Glass, Windshield Glass and Back Glass, Special Notation states the following:
“Time for the removal of old adhesive, clean and preparation of sealing surfaces (vehicle and/or glass) should be estimated after an on the spot evaluation.”
Audatex Panel Repair: DEG Inquiry 10966 inquired about damage to an adjacent panel when replacing a welded on structural component.
Please see the DRM section 4-2 Labor exclusions:
• Replace labor does not include additional labor to repair the replaced panel and or adjacent panels which may become distorted, burned or damaged by welding, drilling, grinding and straightening.
• Additional labor for removal of parts that have been impeded by crash damage (access labor.) (Standard Manual Entry M62 is available.)
CCC Procedure Page Tip – Refinish Overlap on Grille: DEG Inquiry 10893 identified that the CCC estimating system was taking a refinish labor overlap deduction on a grille that was a separate color from the vehicle body. “If the grille and hood are two different colors, then they are two separate procedures like a bumper. Except the clear coat is a matte finish.”
No overlap deduction should be taken when calculating refinish time for items from this category.
The estimating system is not able to determine if the part is a different color or if it’s refinished during a procedure separate from the main component.
This will require a manual deletion of the “Refinish Overlap” if the part is a different color or if it’s refinished during a procedure separate from the main component.
A combination of items from this category refinished during a single, continuous procedure should be subject to the appropriate “Adjacent” or “Non-Adjacent” overlap formula deduction.
Refer to Inquiry 10893 for further details.
CCC Procedure Page Tip – Wheels: When replacing a wheel in CCC, the labor times that are included are listed in the following image. Please make note that wheel balancing and the cost of weights are not included, as well as the other items listed.
This information can be found under the wheel section of the Guide to Complete Repair Planning (click title to view entire document, this information is located on pages 6 & 7)
CCC Parts Search Function – Having trouble locating a part in the CCC One database? CCC has a search bar feature where you can search by a valid part number or part description. This is especially useful for damaged parts you are unsure about, but are able to access the part number from the part itself.
When using the part number search function, always exclude spaces, hyphens, dashes from the number when searching. Example: Instead of 72380-SDA-A01, use 72380SDAA01.
Audatex Custom User Defined Labor Rates – In the most recent Audatex software release, the program now allows users to make User Defined Labor Rate entries. This is especially helpful when working on complex vehicle designs with advance types of vehicle construction used. A user can now charge a separate rate for aluminum, carbon fiber or any other type of specialty material they are working on. A User Defined Rate can be accessed thru the “Rate Section.” The user can manually change the charge category on a specific labor or part line and charge the correct labor rate for that specific line they are working on.
Seam Sealer Application in Audatex – The labor to apply seam sealer is an included operation in Audatex but if there are any special processes required for the application to duplicate the appearance, masking or equipment setup would require manual consideration with a manual line. This can be found in DEG inquiry 10505
The Society of Collision Repair Specialists recently released a video also addressing seam sealer considerations, and the role they play in the corrosion protection process. Click here to watch the video.
Window Tint in Mitchell – Replacing the aftermarket window tint is a not included operation in Mitchell. This can be found in the Mitchell Estimating Guide under glass R&R and would require a manual line for the judgment time.
Second Color in CCC One – Refinish time for the underside of hoods, Lids or Gates does not include mixing of a different color. This is also true when selecting edging of a part. Both of these items can be found in the MOTOR Guide to Estimating on pages G37 and G38
Shop Materials in Mitchell Estimating – Labor times in Mitchell estimating do not take into account the cost of any materials. This would include the cost of hazardous materials recycling or disposal. This can be found in the Mitchell Estimating Guide on page P3. A link to the most current copy of the Mitchell Estimating guide can be found here and also on the DEG website.
Audatex Notes – Unlike CCC and Mitchell, Audatex does not make use of database generated labor notes. Audatex at times will use the part description to identify important information like Non-Reusable parts or color references. For example, a 2013 Ford Escape shows the Quarter Panel Glass as a NON-REUSABLE PART in the parts description.
Protect Interior in CCC One – Protection of components or interior during the repair is a not included operation in CCC One. This can be found in DEG inquiry 10435.
“After review, MOTOR’s estimated work times do not include protection of components and/or vehicle.”
Structural Component List in CCC One – On page G6 of the MOTOR Guide to estimating there is a list of structural components for Unibody and Body over frame vehicles. These components will show a lowercase “s” to the left of the labor amount on the estimate but that line will not automatically be calculated at the structural rate. End users need to add an “S” to column to the right of the labor amount in order for labor to calculate at the structural labor rate set in your system.
Aligning Hood Hinges in CCC One – Alignment of the Hinges is not included with Hood R&I/R&R or alignment in CCC One. This can be found in DEG inquiry number 10351
“Alignment of the Hinges is not included with Hood R&I/R&R or alignment. Hinge alignment is included with hinge R&I/R&R. Determining an estimated work time to align of the Hinges would require an “on the spot” evaluation when the estimate is being written.”
Labels in Mitchell Estimating System – Mitchell Estimating does not provide any allowances for information labels. These need to be addressed as estimate on site and by the number of labels being replaced. This can be found in DEG inquiry number 3417
Chipguard in Audatex – Audatex’s chipguard formula is 0.3 for the first panel and 0.2 per each additional panel but this does not take into account the size of the panel. DEG Inquiry 9478 shows that this formula accounts for up to 8” and if the requirements fall outside of the defined areas these additional needs would need to be accounted for manually.
Wheel Balance is not included with wheel replacement in CCC One– Balancing of the wheel is a not included operation when replacing a wheel in CCC One. This can be found in the footnotes of CCC and also in DEG inquiry 5404.
Option selection in CCC One – It’s important to have the correct options selected in the vehicle option’s tab on your estimating system. For example, when the Fog lamps are selected in the Vehicle Options tab, the Front bumper cover w/o fog lamps will not display. To see the Front bumper cover w/o fog lamps part, please deselect the Fog Lamp option. This can be found in DEG inquiry 9272.
Transparent Colors in Audatex – Some colors may require additional coats of base material or tinting of the primer sealer because they are more transparent than other colors. These additional steps would not be included in the Audatex refinish time and would require a manual line. This can be found in the Audatex DBRM on page 161:
“Some colors have been identified by the paint makers as very transparent. These colors may require tinting the primer/sealer or additional coats of base materials to achieve a correct match (hiding). If this is necessary to achieve a visual color match (hiding), any application of base color beyond the third base coat may require an adjustment of the refinish labor and material allowance.”
Clear Coat Inner Panels in Audatex – To make sure you receive clear coat for inner panels in Audatex you must have Two-Stage listed under the vehicle section of the estimate. This section is just above the vehicle options section.
Example 1 below shows Two-Stage next to Int. Refinish so this estimate will calculate clear coat for inner panels.
Example 2 below does NOT show Two-Stage next to Int. Refinish so this estimate would not calculate clear coat for inner panels.
This is very important to review with all estimates but most important when the estimate user has the option selected to NOT show the refinish breakdown under the refinish line.
Test Fit Parts – Test fit parts is a not included operation in all three estimating systems.
Audatex states in DEG Inquiry 2491 –
We have reviewed your inquiry and in the reference manual section 4-3, Replacement & Recycled Operations there is a statement under Included Operations (Front End Cover/Panel),… Reasonable adjustment and alignment [as defined by the manufacturer using conventional fasteners and/or hardware]. Our labor includes time for normal adjustment and alignment for fit, one time. If a part needs to be removed multiple times to duplicate these efforts, that is not included in our labor times.
CCC shows in Inquiry 9360 –
- Test fitting of a panel in-order to determine alignment/straightening of the adjacent panel(s) and or flange(s) is not included with the Outer Panel labor allowance.
Mitchell also states in DEG Inquiry – 6689
IF A TECHNICIAN DETERMINES THAT A TRIAL FIT IS REQUIRED TO CHECK FOR PROPER AND CORRECT FIT TO VEHICLE, THIS WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN R&I/R&R OF A COMPONENT.
Mixing toners in Mitchell is a not included operation – DEG Inquiry 9220 shows, Mixing individual toners from a mixing bank per a formula to create a quantity of paint for a specific paint color or code is not included in any published Mitchell labor time. It goes on to say that determining the correct color variation is not included as well and gives 2 examples of how retrieving that variation could be accomplished, Determining the correct variant of a specific paint code by utilizing variant card decks or by using an automated tool that examines the color of the vehicle finish to arrive at a correct formulation to mix toners to create a quantity of paint of a specific color is not included in any Mitchell refinish time.
Clear Coat Edges in CCC One – When repairing a panel if you need to refinish the edge you must select the “edging” option under the part. Doing this allows for refinish of the edge but does not include clear coat for the edge. To add clear coat to the edge you must right click the “Add for Edging” line of the estimate then select clear coat. This would be for most any panel that allows the user to edge.
Bumper prompt in CCC One – When selecting the bumper prompt option in CCC One it is important to consider how the bumper will be refinished. If you are painting the bumper cover with the vehicle BUT you need to add a flex to a different clear coat mix, CCC states in DEG Inquiry 5321;
According to the “Guide to Estimating,” page G36, “any component clear coated as a separate procedure,” is not included. If the Bumper Cover requires a different clear coat mix because of flex additives, a separate procedure is required. This holds true for the majority of flexible components and recommended refinishing techniques.
Manual change to a line of an estimate – If the estimate user changes a line in the estimate each estimating system notes that there was a change;
Audatex shows at the bottom of every estimate in the ops code that an asterisk * = User-Entered Value
CCC also states in the footer of an estimate that an Asterisk (*) or Double Asterisk (**) indicates that the parts and/or labor data provided by third party sources of data may have been modified or may have come from an alternate data source.
Mitchell shows at the end of an estimate that an asterisk * – Judgment item
Clear Coat Extension in Audatex – When refinishing a part it may be necessary to extending the clear coat to the edge of an adjacent panel. This formula is not supported in Audatex and the estimate user will need to select either the full refinish allowance or the blend refinish allowance, or create a manual entry for the operation they wish to accomplish. It would be up to the discretion and judgment of the professional estimate preparer to determine which operation best suits their repair situation. This can be found in DEG inquiry number 8462 .
Estimating Guides – When replacing a component with a used part it is important that you follow the recycled estimating guide for your system or you will likely not be capturing necessary labor items that are associated with the use of used parts.
CCC/Motor utilize the RACE guide and it can be found here.
Audatex shows Recycled included and not included operations in Audatex Database Reference Manual.
Mitchell does not print a separate guide for recycled assemblies but they can be found within the estimating system.
Cover and Protect interior in CCC – The additional work needed to cover and protect the vehicle during welding is a not included operation in CCC. The resolution for DEG inquiry number 9300 states ““Items that are not listed under the INCLUDED/DOES NOT INCLUDE heading for any given procedure have not been considered in the estimated work time development for that procedure, unless specified by a footnote.” Therefore, the additional work to cover and protect items are not included and should be an on the spot evaluation.”
Pre fit not included in Audatex – DEG inquiry 2491 shows that pre-fit in Audatex is a not included operation.
“We have reviewed your inquiry and in the reference manual section 4-3, Replacement & Recycled Operations there is a statement under
Included Operations (Front End Cover/Panel),… Reasonable adjustment and alignment [as defined by the manufacturer using conventional
fasteners and/or hardware]. Our labor includes time for normal adjustment and alignment for fit, one time. If a part needs to be removed
multiple times to duplicate these efforts, that is not included in our labor times.”
Seam Sealer in Audatex – Audatex states in DEG inquiry number 1157 that seam sealer is a body operation “The Audatex database includes the labor for seam sealing where required per the OEM manufacturer service procedures and this labor is allotted in the body repair allowance not the refinish allowance. The cost of body materials are not addressed within the Audatex database.” The Audatex time for replacement of a panel includes the labor to apply the seam sealer but does not included the removal of the existing seam sealer per DEG inquiry 2951.
CCC Seam Sealer – CCC states in DEG inquiry number 6781 that “Some replacement components may or may not be supplied with duplicated OEM caulk/seam sealer. This is not included in R&R time and requires an on-the-spot evaluation. “
Missing Labor – If the labor time for a component is missing from your estimating system you should not assume that the labor is included with another operation. Mitchel states in DEG inquiry 7872 that “it is not to be inferred that a component with no established Mitchell labor time has been included in another.” CCC/Motor say “All operations listed as included should display as “INCL” during the estimate process regardless if they have an estimated work time published” in DEG inquiry 7823
Pinch Weld Damage in CCC – The repair needed to address pinch weld damage after a vehicle has been setup on a frame machine is a not included operation in CCC. This can be found in the Motor Guide to Estimating on page G10 under the not included labor times.
CCC Spray Out Panel – One of the new additions to the Motor Guide to Estimating shows that “test spray out panel” is a not included operation with clear coat finishes. If you perform this operation during the refinish process you would need to create a manual entry for the time needed to “test spray out panel”. This can be found on page G36 in the Motor Guide to Estimating. All three estimating guides can be found on the DEG website www.degweb.org under Estimate Toolbox.
Clear Coat Extension in Audatex – Audatex does not have a clear coat only formula so if there is a need to extend your clear coat to an adjacent panel the user must select either the full refinish of the panel, blend for the panel or create a manual entry. An example would be when repairing a quarter panel and there is no line to stop the clear coat so you must clear into the roof and possibly the other quarter. This can be found in DEG inquiry 8462
Bleed brakes in CCC does not include bleeding the ABS pump – The estimated work time of 0.5 hour applied to Bleed Brake System is for those situations when the Brake Hydraulic Line is open at one or all four Suspension Points (caliper/wheel cylinder.) Bleeding the ABS Unit was not considered in the estimated time allowance for Bleed Brake System. This information can be found in DEG inquiry number 8843.
CCC Bumper Prompt Indicator – If the symbol <> is next to a bumper line on your estimate this indicates the bumper refinish operation WILL NOT be performed as a separate procedure from the other panels in the estimate. Meaning the user selected NO when asked if the bumper will be refinished in a separate procedure from the other panels. This symbol will only show on the printed copy of the estimate and selecting yes or no to the bumper prompt will impact how the estimate calculates overlap.
Labor Exclusions in Audatex – Page 54 of the Audatex Database Reference Manual has a list of labor exclusions that need to be considered during the estimate process. Below are a few items that are on the list
Removal of panel bonding adhesive material.
R&I of Injected / Structural foam.
Removal of part number labels.
A copy of the most current Database Reference Manual can be found on the DEG website under the Estimating Toolbox link.
Motor releases updated Guide to Estimating – The Guide to Estimating has been updated and can be found in your CCC estimating system by clicking the “Guide” icon on the right side of the screen. A full copy of the guide can also be found on the DEG website. Visit www.degweb.org and click “Estimate Toolbox” then select “CCC One”. Along with the Guide Motor has updated the RACE guide which is to be used when selecting recycled parts. The updated RACE guide can be found on the DEG website in the same area. For comparison the DEG has the previous versions of both guides listed on the website. Changes to the guide are shown in blue lettering with the online version. Below are a few quick notes about the updated Guide
- Page G10 under “Labor Time Does not include” has the addition – Test for water leaks (except Windshield, Back Glass, and Stationary Glass)
- Page G34 under “Prime and Block” Motor states Prime and block as a refinishing process
- Page G36 under “Clear Coat Finishes Does Not Include” has the additions – Texture matching and Test spray-out panel
Frame Machine Setup In CCC is Not Included – Due to the different types of frame machines used in the collision repair industry, labor times for frame machine set-up are not
developed by MOTOR, nor otherwise included in any operation. Each frame machine manufacturer may have its own unique configurations and setup processes. This can be found in the Motor Guide to Estimating on page G5.
Truck Bed Underside Refinish – Painting the underside of a bed is a not included operation in Audatex, CCC and Mitchell. This can be found in the below inquires:
The refinish allowance for the COMPLETE BED ASSEMBLY (GN 0511) includes the
following panels. The Audatex refinish allowance does not include the underside of the bed as
stated in the Database Reference Manual. The Audatex refinish time does not include inner
surface (backside) of the outer bedside panels. No changes are warranted at this time. The
database is working as designed.
Outer bedside panels
Inner bedside panels
Front bed panel
Fuel filler pocket
Exposed surface of bed floor
CCC 2990 –
Research Response: MOTOR stated:
According to the OEM, paint found on the underside of the pickup box side panel is an artifact of the factory refinish process (overspray). This may be evidenced by uneven paint application, bare spots, etc.
MOTOR does not take the position that the underside of the pickup box side panel should not be returned to pre-accident condition. However, determining the estimated work time to refinish the underside of the pickup box side panel in various stages of completeness and quality, if refinished at all, is best left up to the judgment of estimators using an on-the-spot evaluation.
LABOR ALLOWANCES ARE AS FOLLOWS.
REFINISH PICKUP BED ASSY COMPLETE (INCLUDES TAILGATE) ~STD BED ~~W/S-RUNNER MODEL…..#8.5 ~~W/O S-RUNNER MODEL ~~~REGULAR CAB, XTRA CAB…..#8.5 ~~~DOUBLE CAB…..#8.0 ~~STEPSIDE BED…..#8.5 #INCLUDES REFINISH FLOOR & INSIDE PANELS
LABOR ALLOWANCES DO NOT INCLUDE REFINISH UNDERSIDE. AT THIS TIME USER WILL HAVE TO MANAULLY SELECT REFINISH UNDERSIDE FROM CEG. NO CHANGES AT THIS TIME.
Bleed Brakes in CCC – The estimated work time of 0.5 applied to Bleed Brake System is for those situations when the Brake Hydraulic Line is open at one or all four Suspension Points. The .5 labor does not included bleeding the ABS system if necessary. This info can be found in DEG inquiry 8843
Complete vehicle refinish in Mitchell – Under Procedure 28 of the Mitchell Estimating Guide states that Refinish times are for new undamaged parts and not intended for calculating complete vehicle refinish.
Page 16 of the Mitchell Estimating Guide
Refinish times in this Guide pertain to NEW, UNDAMAGED PARTS and are
not intended for calculating complete vehicle refinish—single- or multistage.
The material for bagging a vehicle in Audatex – Audatex includes the time in the labor. However, the estimate preparer decides what is, or is not included in the Paint Materials. This can be found on page 182 of the Audatex Database Reference Manual.
Adhesive backing removal in CCC – The labor time in CCC for moldings, Nameplates and Emblems includes the installation time only. It does not include the time needed to remove the old adhesive backing. This can be found in the Motor Guide to Estimating on page G33 and also in DEG inquiry 7698.
CCC Footnotes Take Precedence – Footnotes may contain vehicle specific information and the content of footnotes is in addition to and takes precedence over, information in the Guide to Estimating pages for the operation indicated. This can be found in DEG inquiry number 8659.
Collision Access – Before starting repairs or even the estimate, it may be necessary to cut, push or pull damaged panels to gain access to the vehicle. This is a not included operation in all three estimating systems.
Audatex – Located on Page 54 under labor exclusions in the Database Reference Manual is:
Additional labor for removal of parts that have been impeded by crash damage (access labor). (Standard Manual Entry M62 is available).
CCC – Page G-10 of the Motor Guide to Estimating under “Time Does Not Include” states:
Cutting, pulling or pushing collision damaged parts for Access
Mitchell – Shown in Additions to Labor Times on page P3 of the Mitchell Estimating Guide is:
Access Time Remove extensively damaged parts by cutting, pushing, pulling, etc.
Not every chip guard is the same in Audatex – Replacing the chipguard on a vehicle may require additional operations that are specific to a vehicle. Audatex states “ Chipguard defines the Audatex automated formula for this operation. When special requirements are needed for a specific vehicle, the estimator would have to account for those requirements manually. No changes warranted at this time” in DEG Inquiry 8452.
Car Cover in CCC – During the repair process it may be necessary to cover the vehicle to prevent overspray. This operation may be performed multiple times and each time you cover the vehicle, then remove the cover a labor value of .2 should be added. CCC/Motor state in DEG inquiry number 8533 “Since the operation may be performed multiple times during any given repair process, an on-the-spot evaluation is required to determine how many times this operation should be utilized, and who should perform this operation.” Furthermore the inquiry states the material costs are not included in any labor time and that Material costs and cost categories must be determined by the repair facility.
Frequently asked questions in the Audatex Database Reference Manual – Section 5-2 of the Audatex Database Reference Manual (DBRM) covers 40 questions that you may find helpful during the estimate or repair process.
Does bagging and masking include the cost of the bag?
When you replace a floor pan with Audatex does the paint labor allowance include both sides of the pan, or just the part inside the trunk?
These are just a couple of questions that are answered in the FAQ section on pages 176-184 of the DBRM. If you do not have a copy of the Audatex DBRM, the MOTOR Guide to Estimating, or Mitchell’s Collision Estimating Guide you can visit the DEG website (www.degweb.org) and links to all three estimating system resources are located at the top of the page.
Bleeding The Coolant System – After the replacement of a coolant component it may be necessary to remove the air from the system, or “bleed” the system. This process may require opening a valve to remove the air, similar to a brake caliper, but can require more complex procedures of attaching a vacuum machine and/or following more detailed OEM-specific instructions. These procedures are “not included” operations with Audatex and Mitchell estimating software. This can be found in the procedural pages of both products, but also in DEG inquiries 3761 and 3851.
CCC/Motor states this operation is included with the labor of the coolant part.
If you are replacing a coolant part in CCC and do not think the time is adequate to replace the part AND bleed the coolant system you can submit an inquiry to the DEG and we will address the labor time with CCC. Submit an inquiry by visiting the DEG website at www.degweb.org and clicking the green arrow that says Open Inquiry.
Adding a new Aluminum rate category in CCC – Aluminum repair is becoming more common, and if you have CCC One you have the option of adding an aluminum rate category; outlined in the procedure below. Audatex and Mitchell do not currently allow the end-user to create a new rate category, and it must be accounted for manually.
- Navigate to the profile under the configure link:
- Select the profile you would like to change
- On the left side expand the estimating folder, then rates folder and click Labor
- Click “Add Charge Category”
- Input the Name of the category and dollar amount. Remember the code # for future use
- Once the rate category is in the system you can add it to a repair or replace line by clicking the box next to the labor amount and inputting the code # for the new aluminum rate
Feather Prime and Block is a refinish operation – All three estimating systems state the Feather Prime and Block (FPB) operation is a refinish procedure.
Audatex – Has the option to add FPB to a repair panel but also states in DEG inquiry number 8061:
“FPB is recognized as a refinish operation and is so denoted within the body of the estimate”
CCC – Says FPB is a refinish operation in DEG inquiry number 6824:
“Prime and Block is a refinish operation and is not included in any labor operation. “
Mitchell – Just like Audatex and CCC Mitchell states FPB is a refinish operation in DEG inquiry number 3727:
“FEATHER, PRIME & BLOCK IS THE NOT-INCLUDED REFINISH OPERATION”
Remember to setup your Audatex profile to calculate FPB materials. This can be found in a previous estimating tip.
Audatex Feather Prime and Block – In order to calculate for materials, Audatex users must go into each unique profile within the estimating system and define the materials rate for Feather Prime and Block in the rate tab. Like all undefined rates, this will default to $0.00 until defined by the user. During the estimate preparation process, you must factor the necessary time for feather, prime and block into the repair time, and then allocate the portion of the total repair hours that they want apply to the Feather, Prime and Block operation.
Audatex Labor Report – Labor times listed in the Audatex estimating system are constructed differently than other estimating products, and uniquely use an “inside out” approach to defining labor units. Audatex provides an Audatex Labor Report, which documents the approach used in the development of their published time. This report can be printed along with the estimate and can be useful in determining things such as included operations and overlaps deductions. Below is an excerpt from the Audatex P-Pages (DBRM):
Audatex Labor Report
Shows the operations that may be performed for each panel on the estimate. This report includes:
- the guide number where any overlap has been considered
- the full labor of the panel before overlap consideration
- all operations that may be applicable for a specific estimate
The Labor Report is specific for each vehicle and provides a breakdown of included operations. This report is viewable on screen or printable for any estimate.”
Also, don’t forget that in the back of the P-Pages in Audatex is a frequently asked questions section. There are 40 questions with answers that could help during the estimate/repair process.
Estimating systems contain information to assist in producing an estimate to document the repair of a collision damaged vehicle, however each information provider stated that their products are to be used as a guide. The information is a tool, but cannot replace the experience of the trained professional, physically inspecting the damage and performing the repair.
CCC – On page G10, the Motor Guide to Estimating states “The times reported in this publication are to be used as a guide only”
Audatex – On page 50, the Database Reference Manual states “Labor supplied in an Audatex estimate is intended for use as a guide for collision repair.”
Mitchell – On page 2, the Collision Estimating Guide states “THE LABOR TIMES SHOWN IN THE GUIDE ARE IN HOURS AND TENTHS OF AN HOUR (6 MINUTES) AND ARE FOR REPLACEMENT WITH NEW, UNDAMAGED PARTS FROM THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURER ON A NEW, UNDAMAGED VEHICLE. Any additional time needed for collision DAMAGE ACCESS, ALIGNMENT PULLS, NON-ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT or USED PARTS should be agreed upon by all parties. Times for some operations are applicable after necessary bolted, attached or related parts have been removed. Exceptional circumstances, including all the sub-operations or extra operations, are indicated as notes throughout the text or are identified in the Procedure Explanations. The actual time taken by individual repair facilities to replace collision damaged parts can be expected to vary due to severity of collision, vehicle condition, equipment used, etc.”
Refinish edge and refinish inside is 2 different operations with CCC ONE. In DEG inquiry 8374 CCC states: “depending on the refinish damage and/or refinish requirements one or both may be selected” they go on to define the 2 as follows,
Visualize a driver side front door:
1. The exterior surface paint time is for the door skin. This is the surface that faces outside of the car when the door is closed.
2. The “inside” is the inside of the door shell; this is the surface area that faces the driver and interior of vehicle when the door is closed.
3. The “edge” is the area between the exterior and interior surface. This would be the crimped area as well as the portion of the door which the user describes as the “jamb” area. This is the area that faces the lock pillar.
Weld Damage – Weld damage is a not included operation in all three estimating systems.
Audatex – On page 56 of the Database Reference Manual it states the following under Labor Exclusions:
“Replace labor does not include additional labor to repair the replaced panel and or adjacent panels which may become distorted, burned or damaged by welding, drilling, grinding and straightening. “
CCC – Page G39 of the Guide to Estimating shows:
Suggested refinish operation times do not include additional time for repair of damage to adjacent panels resulting from normal cutting, welding and grinding procedures. The amount of damage can vary considerably depending upon process and technique used by the servicing technician and, therefore, is impractical to anticipate in this publication. MOTOR recommends these factors be considered before finalizing any repair cost estimate. Typical areas to be considered are
Illustrated below “
Mitchell – The Mitchell guide shows the following on page P16 under Not Included Operations:
“Feather, Prime & Block paint damage to adjacent panel and/or panels joined by welding due to burn damage (see Feather, Prime & Block definition under Refinish General Information”
Covering Vehicle For Weld Damage – Covering the interior and adjacent panels to prevent weld spark damage during welding is a not included operation in CCC. This is explained in DEG inquiry number 7851:
“According to the MOTOR Guide To Estimating, “Items that are not listed under the INCLUDED/DOES NOT INCLUDE heading for any given procedure have not been considered in the estimated work time development for that procedure, unless specified by a footnote.” Therefore, the additional work to cover and protect items are not included and should be an on the spot evaluation.”
LKQ Quarter in CCC – When replacing an LKQ quarter panel in CCC the labor time is for more than just the outer skin unless noted with a footnote. As seen in DEG inquiry 4817.
“Please note that replacing the OEM quarter panel and replacing a LKQ quarter assembly are “apples and oranges” comparisons. According to the MOTOR Recycled Assemblies Guide To Estimating, page G29, “Assembly is serviced with quarter outer panel, quarter inner structure, wheelhouse, lock pillar and extensions.” According to the OEM GTE, Page G22, “Quarter panel R&R times are generally based upon replacement at the factory seams.”
If replacing an LKQ part in CCC the RACE Guide from Motor should be utilized. This guide can be found on the DEG website.
Bagging or Car Cover in Audatex – The labor for “bagging” or “car Cover” is an included operation with Audatex refinish but as seen on page 180 of the Audatex P-Pages the estimate preparer decides what is, or is not included with the paint materials. Having a paint materials list displayed in your facility could be a useful tool when negotiating what is or is not included.
P-pages. Estimate guides or P-pages are a critical part of the estimate process. Each guide shows included and not included items but also key information for refinishing and common labor options like color sand and buff. A current copy of all three estimating system’s P-Pages can be found on the DEG website. It’s important to know the P-Pages for your system but it’s just as important to know the P-pages for a system you do not have. CCC has new additions or changes in blue text and Audatex creates a strike through for changed text. Remember to utilize the RACE guide for used parts in CCC and the Recycled column in Audatex.
Mixing Paint – It is important to know which processes are included, and more importantly not-included, in your specific estimating system. The Audatex refinish allowance accounts for mixing the color for the factory paint code and one tint cycle to match the paint on the vehicle. See inquiry 8089. Mitchell includes “mix materials” in their refinish procedure, but “color match or tinting” is not included. See inquiry 8092. CCC includes retrieving accurate color information, including paint chip, and the mixing of additives (ex: thinner / reducer / hardener etc.) to the premixed color; This is referred to as “mix paint.” Test spray-out panel and tinting to achieve color match is not included in Motor Crash Estimating Data refinish allowance. Mixing Systems enable refinishers to mix the desired color by combining paint toners; this formulation of color is not included. See inquiry 4486.
Labor Prompts in CCC – Labor prompts need to be setup for Edging, Underside, Inside, Bumper refinish, Aim Lamps and Evacuate/Recharge in CCC ONE. These prompts can be displayed when writing an estimate and you set the “default” in the profile section. Go to Configure, Profiles, Select your profile, and then click Labor Prompts. This must be done for each profile in your system.
Audatex Feather Prime and Block – In order to calculate for materials, Audatex users must go into each unique profile within the estimating system and define the materials rate for Feather Prime and Block in the rate tab. Like all undefined rates, this will default to $0.00 until defined by the user. During the estimate preparation process, you must factor the necessary time for feather, prime and block into the repair time, and then allocate the portion of the total repair hours that they want apply to the Feather, Prime and Block operation.
Fabrication of Sleeves – Creating a sleeve or backing plate is not included in CCC. Audatex and Mitchell included the labor for sleeves as long as it is from existing stock. DEG Inquiries 6405, 3856 and 3857
Drilling Backup Sensors – Drilling the hole for a backup sensor is a not included operation in Audatex and CCC
Audatex – Per the Audatex DBRM section 4-2 “Labor for drilling necessary to attach parts (e.g., ornamentation, antennas, etc.) and DEG reference inquiry 7816
CCC – Has an Add if required option in the estimating system. Additional information can be found in the estimating guide on page G10 “Drilling, modification or fabrication of mounting holes”
Reset of Electrical Components – The resetting of electrical components is a NOT included operation in Audatex, CCC or Mitchell. Air bag lights, initializing of a power window, and steering angle sensors are just a few examples of items that require a manual line for the labor amount needed. 7465 , 6710 , 5845
Foam – The labor for application or removal of foam is not included in CCC or Audatex and requires a manual line for the labor amount needed. Materials for the foam are not included as well. 2481 and 5223
Wash Vehicle – Do you wash or clean a vehicle before repairs?? This is a not included operation in CCC and needs to be added to the estimate. DEG inquiry 6948
Audatex A/C Lines – When replacing an A/C line in Audatex the labor time allocated is for basic disconnect and connect of the line. It does not include the time needed to remove the line from the vehicle. That would need to be a manual entry as per DEG Inquiry 4818
Missing Labor – Just because there is no labor time in the system DOES NOT mean the labor is included with another operation. Inquiry 7987 is a great example!!!!!